Who is "we?"
Only in your demented delusional fantasies.
Please find the post where I indicate any such things occurred. If that's not where your delusion comes from, please show us the government records you managed to find.
LOL...
You are such an obvious loser.
LOL...
poor thing.
House Republicans Flip-Flop On Clean Funding Bill
Reps. Lou Barletta (R-PA),
Devin Nunes, (R-CA),
Mike Simpson (R-ID),
Leonard Lance, (R-NJ), and
Randy Forbes (R-VA),
who had all previously indicated support for a clean continuing resolution, have all recanted their support over the past 48 hours.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...gop-flip-flop/
So NOW Boner doesn't have the votes.
He's still going to lose. Dems aren't budging, aren't doing anything, and "conversations".
The Senate’s lone independent said Monday that a controversial Supreme Court ruling on campaign financing indirectly led to the government shutdown, which he said was engineered by an influential group of billionaires led by the Koch brothers.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the 2010 ruling in the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission allowed the rich and powerful to threaten House members with well-funded campaign challengers unless they got their way on an agenda to roll back progressive legislation.
“So what democracy is today in the House of Representatives after Citizens United is about is a handful of billionaires can threaten any member of the House with defeat by pouring unlimited sums of money if they vote in a way that the Koch brothers do not like,” Sanders said.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/0....zQzyUuOj.dpuf
$200M and 3 years of VRWC tactics, but the Obamacare shutdown is a looking-for-shoes accident!
GOP congressman: We stumbled into war over Obamacare
"I would liken this a little bit to Gettysburg, where a Confederate unit went looking for shoes and stumbled into Union cavalry, and all of a sudden found itself embroiled in battle on a battlefield it didn't intend to be on, and everybody just kept feeding troops into it," the congressman said. "That's basically what's happening now in a political sense. This isn't exactly the fight I think Republicans wanted to have, certainly that the leadership wanted to have, but it's the fight that's here."
Cruz, along with a few Senate colleagues, the Heritage Foundation, and others, ran a high-profile campaign to stir public opinion against Obamacare — the House GOP leadership was mostly unaware of what was going on. "They got surprised a little bit by the Obamacare thing," the lawmaker said. "This was something that blew up in August. Nobody really saw it coming — probably should have a little bit, I'm not being critical of anybody in that regard, on either side of this — but it just happened."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-co...rticle/2536874
You right-wing assholes elect some really brilliant assholes to Congress.
Repugs = Confederates accidentally starting the Battle of Gettysburg, didn't even know there were Blue-state Dems and a Bag Bad Freed Slave N!gg@ in the area.
REPUBLICANS SHUT DOWN PREFRONTAL CORTEX
In an escalation of the stalemate gripping Washington, House Republicans voted today to shut down the prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that controls reasoning and impulses.
The resolution, which passed with heavy Tea Party support, calls for a partial shutdown of the brain, leaving the medulla and cerebellum, sometimes referred to as the “reptilian brain,” up and running.
The Tea Party caucus cheered the passage of the bill, which was sponsored by Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, who called the measure “long overdue.”
House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) offered no timetable for restarting the prefrontal cortex, telling reporters, “It will most certainly remain shut down during any negotiations with the President. That’s the only leverage we have.”
Representative Bachmann agreed: “The President can go ahead and put a gun to our heads. There’s nothing there.”
While the G.O.P.’s decision to shut down the prefrontal cortex rattled Wall Street, the neuroscientist Davis Logsdon said it should be seen as little more than a symbolic vote, noting, “It’s actually been shut down since the 2008 election.”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(179)
The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’
The Koch Brothers and other right-wing billionaires who provoked the government shutdown and now are angling for an even more devastating credit default see themselves as the people who deserve to rule the United States without interference from lesser citizens, especially those with darker-colored skin.
Their “masters of the universe” world view is that they or their daddies or their daddies’ daddies were the ones who “built America” and, thus, it’s their right to tear down the remarkable edifice of U.S. law, politics and economics created over the past two-plus centuries — if the country’s less-deserving inhabitants insist on raising taxes on the rich to fund programs benefiting the poor and the middle class.
That is what we’re watching now, what might be called the Koch Brothers’ “Samson Option,” pulling down the temple to destroy their enemies even if doing so is also destructive to them and their fortunes.
Charles and David Koch and other right-wing billionaires and near-billionaires are blind with anger after wasting millions of dollars on Mitt Romney, Karl Rove and the Republican Party in a failed attempt to defeat Barack Obama, the Democrats and health-care reform. These were the guys who smirked knowingly when Romney sneered at “the 47 percent” of Americans who receive some government help; they got snappish when Obama called them “fat cats”; they demanded the honorific le of “job creators.”
Then, they had to sit in their plush party rooms waiting to celebrate Romney’s victory only to be frustrated by a coalition of voters led by African-Americans, Hispanics, Asian-Americans and young urban whites who are comfortable in a more diverse country.
As the Times reported, "the speaker acknowledged that in July he had gone to the Senate majority leader, Senator Harry Reid … and offered to have the House pass a clean financing resolution. [Boehner's] proposal would have set spending levels $70 billion lower than Democrats wanted, but would have no contentious add-ons like changing the health-care law. Democrats accepted, but they say Mr. Boehner then reneged under pressure from Tea Party conservatives."
So, Boehner had laid out terms for a deal that the Democrats disliked but agreed to accept, only to see Boehner pocket their major concession, tack on a host of new demands including stopping health-care reform, and then berating them with the "talking point" that it was the Democrats who wouldn't negotiate.
http://consortiumnews.com/2013/10/08...samson-option/
Last edited by boutons_deux; 10-09-2013 at 02:10 PM.
Most people in Iraq and Afghanistan wanted us gone. the only difference between the people we called "terrorists" and the people who just didn't like us was tactics.
In this case, it seems as if a group of terrorists have taken our government, and the rest of us by extension hostage.
If you dont' like the affordable care act, fine, then seperate that from the budget process, and figure out how to change it in a way that everyone can agree on.
As it is, I can't help but draw the analogy.
The extremists in the GOP are gleefully rubbing their hands at reducign the government. Tired of having to comprimise with people that dont' agree with them, they have taken on new tactics to get what they want. The tactic and the end goal suits them just fine, damn the cost to the rest of us. For a group that complained about having something shoved down their throat they seem very little concerned about doing the shoving when it suits them.
Just stop
Koch Denies Ever Taking ‘Position’ On Defunding Obamacare
The Koch Company wants Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and the public to know that it played no role in the “legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding Obamacare.”
A Koch Industries representative penned an open letter on Wednesday, aiming to “set the record straight” after Senator Reid said that the government shutdown was “satisfying the Koch brothers.”
The comments came during a Tuesday floor speech, in which Reid cited a New York Times article that shed light on a “well-financed, broad-based assault” on the Affordable Care Act that was months in planning and involved an alliance of powerful GOP groups.
Reid said that “according to the news article, a former Attorney General of the United States, Ed Meese, and the Koch Brothers” are behind “raising and spending hundred of millions of dollars to get us where we are right now.”
According to the New York Times, an organization called Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce — linked to the billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David – contributed over $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the effort to defund Obamacare by tying it to the continuing resolution.
The Koch-financed Americans for Prosperity also spent $5.5 million on television ads targeting health care reform. Another $5 million was given to Generation Opportunity, the organization behind the now infamous Internet ad that showed a rather creepy, speculum-gripping Uncle Sam suddenly popping up between a woman’s legs during a gynecological exam.
The Senate Majority Leader added to his speech with a tweet saying that “by shutting down the government, Republicans are satisfying the Koch Brothers while millions of people are suffering.”
The Koch brothers are not ready to acknowledge their role in this latest governing crisis, however. The letter only admitted that “Koch believes that Obamacare will increase deficits, lead to an overall lowering of the standard of health care in America, and raise taxes.” But it maintained that Koch never took a “position” on tying the continuing resolution to defunding the health law, and they never “lobbied on legislative provisions defunding Obamacare.”
Koch may not have been behind the “legislative provisions,” but the Koch brothers certainly poured millions of dollars into the effort on which their company never took a “position.”
The letter did not stop short of advising Congress on what it “should” be doing.
“We believe that Congress should, at a minimum, keep to sequester-level spending guidelines, and develop a plan for more significant and widespread spending reductions in the future,” it read, adding, “Congress should focus on these efforts: balancing the budget, tightening and cutting government spending, curbing cronyism, and eliminating market-distorting subsidies and mandates.”
Koch Industries may claim that it had nothing to do with orchestrating the government shutdown — but if nothing else, its representative is happy to use all of the same talking points used by Republican lawmakers when trying to justify that very effort.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/koch-den...ing-obamacare/
On Chris Hayes, sounds like Repugs coming out of Congress tonight they're stuck with "unconditional surrender" which is a lie since they "won" their budget number.
Duffy ripped Mitc a new one.
And what do we do with terrorists? We kill them.
Most people in Iraq and Afghanistan wanted us gone. the only difference between the people we called "terrorists" and the people who just didn't like us was tactics.
In this case, it seems as if a group of terrorists have taken our government, and the rest of us by extension hostage.
If you dont' like the affordable care act, fine, then seperate that from the budget process, and figure out how to change it in a way that everyone can agree on.
As it is, I can't help but draw the analogy.
The extremists in the GOP are gleefully rubbing their hands at reducign the government. Tired of having to comprimise with people that dont' agree with them, they have taken on new tactics to get what they want. The tactic and the end goal suits them just fine, damn the cost to the rest of us. For a group that complained about having something shoved down their throat they seem very little concerned about doing the shoving when it suits them.
You'd have made a good brownshirt.
And I bet you're the guy who is always bemoaning the lack of civility in public discourse.
Its stupid to call them terrorists. I swear anytime anyone disagrees with someone else they go to the terror buzzword. So ing annoying.
Also annoying, the pandering to the military by passing that helps them while other government works don't.
Not much of a stretch TBH....we already bomb people we call terrorists because it benefits us economically
Liberal drinkers would deny benefits to veterans and their loved ones if it meant that a woman could get a free abortion or if two men could get married and have sex in public. It's sad that it's like that but it's very true.
govt shutdown or forcing Treasury default are acts of social, financial violence on innocent people, acts with a political objective, iow, social/financial terrorism
The only way to get rid of scary sounding buzzword is to repeat it in every situation until it loses all meaning. So if you want it to stop being used, you should use it all the time...
Right Wing Lashes Out At Paul Ryan Over Obamacare
In one of the most surprising examples of how committed Republicans truly are to attacking the Affordable Care Act, the right wing is lashing out at Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI) for being insufficiently committed to killing Obamacare.
The anger stems from an op-ed by Ryan published in The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday. Ryan used the platform to pitch his plan to end the debt ceiling crisis: Republicans would raise it in exchange for a deal in which they agree to roll back some of the sequester cuts, and Democrats agree to cuts to earned-benefit programs like Social Security and Medicare.
What is surprising, however, is the negative reaction that Ryan’s op-ed garnered on the right. As Tom Kludt points out at Talking Points Memo, right-wing groups such as the Senate Conservatives Fund, Heritage Action, and RedState.com immediately lashed out at Ryan for failing to include the death of Obamacare in his demands in exchange for not intentionally crashing the global economy. Ryan made no mention of the law in his op-ed (perhaps because he knows that its repeal is not realistic, perhaps because he needs the law’s savings to balance his own budget).
And they weren’t alone. Amanda Carpenter, a spokeswoman for Senator Ted Cruz, tweeted ”There is one big word missing from this op-ed. It’s start [sic] with an O and ends with BAMACARE.” Ben Shapiro, an editor-at-large at the right-wing Breitbart.com, lamented that “Paul Ryan dropping Obamacare demands re: shutdown and debt ceiling is suicidal strategy. And sadly typical.” And the list of angry right-wingers goes on.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/right-wi...ver-obamacare/
GOP quietly backing away from Obamacare
A fight over Obamacare? That’s so last week.
With the government shutdown firmly in its second week, and the debt limit projected to be reached next Thursday, top House and Senate Republicans are publicly moving away from gutting the health care law — a practical move that could help resolve the stalemate and appear more reasonable in the eyes of frustrated voters.
In a private meeting among Senate Republicans, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) expressed openness to a plan by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) that includes a repeal of Obamacare’s medical device tax but nothing else related to the health care law.
With polls showing their party is suffering the brunt of the blame for the shutdown, many top Republicans are quietly moving past the Obamacare debate. Many Senate Republicans’ demands do not include changes to Obamacare, but rather cuts to Medicare, Social Security and changes to the Tax Code. House Republicans are also considering a short-term debt hike, but no one expects that it will be accompanied by changes to Obamacare.
“I’d like to get rid of Obamacare, no question about that, but I think that effort has failed,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the veteran member of the Senate Finance Committee. “And we’re going to have to take it on in other ways.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ing-98102.htmlhttp://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ing-98102.html
Let me guess:
cut Medicare and SS
cut taxes on wealthy and business
25 unforgettable Obamacare quotes
first up: the permanently demented “It will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”
http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013...72-016561.html
IRS Obamacare official: Rollout smooth on our end
But the hearing focused on the health law — and Ingram, the director of the IRS Affordable Care Act office, said the glitches that have plagued the launch and stymied enrollment aren’t from her agency.
“Our systems have come up on time and operated as planned in turning interactions around,” she said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...#ixzz2hKTaJ6tg
I'm sure the tax collecting piece of ACA did rollout smoothly. Going to be hard to "fine" people who can't even sign up, tho.
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