What's up with black QBs ?

[Brazil]

I lurk once in a while NFL forum (I started to watch football regularly just 2 years ago) and notice the talk about black QBs so I had to ask... What's up with them ?

Do you guys are saying that black QBs will never be successful because they play monkeyball trying to use their athleticism to run with the ball or are you implying blacks are not smart enough to play this position ?

If you are a freak of nature RG3 style I believe it is difficult to restrain yourself to use your athleticism with, on top of that, an entire system (coaches, college...) doing nothing to teach these young players to play smarter and protect themselves. That could be an explanation but some posts seem also to imply dudes are not clever enough to properly play the position which would be kinda racist tbh...

So what's behind black QBs talk ?

[Creepn]

First of all, insecure American whites have a belief where they view the black man as inferior which is pretty damn laughable to me.They think blacks as dumb monkeys basically. So when they see a black qb use other areas of strength such as running to make something out of a ruined play instead of giving up, they say it's because of their lack of intelligence for not reading the defense properly. Then they laugh and laugh and laugh at how stupid blacks are, even though the play resulted in something positive. It's also harder to be a dual-threat qb than just standing in the pocket looking for an open guy or just throwing the ball out of bounds after a failed play but that point gets lost on them. The irony is that the people who thinks like that are the ones acting like dumb monkeys. Whatever makes them feel better about themselves as I guess.

You are also right about the coaches as well. They exploit the black qb's athleticism for quick success instead of long term goals.

[johnsmith]

You are also right about the coaches as well. They exploit the black qb's athleticism for quick success instead of long term goals.

Serious question here, and for the most part I stay out of the monkeyball threads because they've grown tired imo tbh....but what else do you want the coaches to do with them? Of course they're going to exploit their talents, that's the point of the sport.

[Creepn]

Serious question here, and for the most part I stay out of the monkeyball threads because they've grown tired imo tbh....but what else do you want the coaches to do with them? Of course they're going to exploit their talents, that's the point of the sport.

Exploiting them just for gimmicky purposes will not see long term success. It robs them from learning the full role of being a quarterback. When defense takes that away, there goes that young man's career and furthering claims that black people are too dumb to be quarterback.

[Creepn]

As I mentioned before, Terrell Pryor is a perfect example of this. In high school, he was an excellent pocket passer. Got into college and the coaches there used him for gimmicks and failed to develop him. His numbers dropped and he suffered. Luckily the Raiders saw his true potential and took a gamble on him. They worked him out and from what I can see, he's doing pretty well with the supporting casts that he has.

[Raven]

Both points stand tbh. Though a lot depends on the fact that they can't read defenses because they also look for running routes at the same time.

[Chief Brody]

Exploiting them just for gimmicky purposes will not see long term success. It robs them from learning the full role of being a quarterback. When defense takes that away, there goes that young man's career and furthering claims that black people are too dumb to be quarterback.

This literally makes no sense whatsoever, in addition to being just incredibly naive about how the NFL works these days.

Maybe you've been missing the NFL since the digital TV switchover and you can no longer stick the eggbeater in the back of the TV to pick up CBS and FOX...........but nobody in their right mind that's successful has the patience to wait 4-5 years for a QB to develop anymore. Coaches are now getting <3 years to prove themselves, and franchises can't afford the lost revenue from fielding a dog team year-after-year. Look at Buffalo and Jacksonville, for instance--they're both looking to move outside the country for home games because they've been so bad for so long. Green Bay is far and away the smallest market in the NFL but you can't even sell a kidney to get a nosebleed seat there--because it's a winning franchise with great QB play.

The Panthers can't afford to let Newton things up worse than they are, just like the Bucs couldn't afford to watch the Freeman abortion go on any longer. Decent to very good QBs have been NFL ready almost half a year out of the gate now.

Get a new TV with a digital receiver and you'll see what I mean

[Creepn]

Both points stand tbh. Though a lot depends on the fact that they can't read defenses because they also look for running routes at the same time.

That's where the coaching has to come in.

[Blake]

Monkey ball =/= black qb

[spurraider21]

You are also right about the coaches as well. They exploit the black qb's athleticism for quick success instead of long term goals.

Of course you resort to blaming the white man for black qb shortcomings

[spurraider21]

Black qb's have tended to be more athletic than white qb's and for some reason almost never discipline themselves into becoming true pocket passers who only run when needed to. Look at Andrew luck and Aaron Rodgers. They can both run, but they know it's not a reliable way to string wins together. Use the athleticism when you need it, not at the first opportunity. They all said rg3 was in this mold. Pass first, only runs when needed. Instead he ran for 800 yards as a rookie and got his ACL blown out. When a qb runs, he will get hit hard. The don't last physically and essentially run the wildcat while they're healthy. THIS IS A GENERAL TREND, not an absolute. Mcnabb pretty much had it right, McNair to an extent too. When was the last time we had a great black pocket passer, tbh?

[spurraider21]

This doesn't go to say that black qb's can be great or that all white qb's are great. It's just that time has shown again and again that a pocket passer wins in this league. Athleticism is great. Big rape and Rodgers both extend plays and have won. But not vick, young, kordell Stewart, etc

[Holden_Caulfield]

my teddy bridgewater will blow this out of the water next season tbh

[HI-FI]

i'm surprised Brazil is into football tbh, I figured it would be too low brow or bourgeoisie for the French.

[Brazil]

Black qb's have tended to be more athletic than white qb's and for some reason almost never discipline themselves into becoming true pocket passers who only run when needed to.

thats a clever way to avoid the question. For some reason they don't discipline... Why? Cauz they are too dumb for that or cauz league owners coaches fail to proper develop them ? It's not like the sample size is too small, there are a bunch of black QBs in the league since years now.

[Brazil]

i'm surprised Brazil is into football tbh, I figured it would be too low brow or bourgeoisie for the French.

I lived in the US and I wanted to understand why it's so popular. I believe big par of it is linked to the fact that there are not a lot of games which makes every game a special event. I still think there are too many time outs but I confess that's a fascinating sport. I failed to understand baseball success tho.

[HI-FI]

I lived in the US and I wanted to understand why it's so popular. I believe big par of it is linked to the fact that there are not a lot of games which makes every game a special event. I still think there are too many time outs but I confess that's a fascinating sport. I failed to understand baseball success tho.

i actually agree. i'm more into basketball than football but been a Niners fan longer than Spurs. I think the ritualistic aspect of it, with games mainly at the end of the week, helps. I prefer basketball because of the movement and fluidity, football is more stop and go, especially more so now with all the ticky tack being called. It's still entertaining and obviously most popular, but curious how football will change in the future with all the safety/legal issues.

I like baseball but about 4th overall as a sport, i think it could use some changes or less games imo.

[BUMP]

my teddy bridgewater will blow this out of the water next season tbh

o, Holden.

do you think we will pull off the upset this week?

[Raven]

That's where the coaching has to come in.

maybe a little for designed qb runs and read option, but the rest is on gms choosing black qbs only if they are athletic and black qbs for using their "talent" instead of playing the game the proper way.

[Raven]

thats a clever way to avoid the question. For some reason they don't discipline... Why? Cauz they are too dumb for that or cauz league owners coaches fail to proper develop them ? It's not like the sample size is too small, there are a bunch of black QBs in the league since years now.

Basically it's the same problem as with greedy and dynamic algorithms, one chooses the best outcome at every single moment, while the other first calculates every path and then chooses the best way. It's like with inflated economic growth or "organic" slow growth, which one is the best? In the long run, there is an answer, but at some point in your career, you are only focused with the small targets, which means you are forced to choose the easy and fast way to get results. The problem is that in the case of qbs, it means many injuries so the upside gets lower every time. Bottom line, you could say they are dumb to choose the easy way to play the game and your opinion would be every bit as undeniable as it can get.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Serious question here, and for the most part I stay out of the monkeyball threads because they've grown tired imo tbh....but what else do you want the coaches to do with them? Of course they're going to exploit their talents, that's the point of the sport.

Creepn basically went on a rant about how dual threat QBs are better than pocket passing QBs then ended it by crying about how coaches use black QBs as dual threat QBs rather than pocket QBs.

Makes total sense, right?

[spurraider21]

thats a clever way to avoid the question. For some reason they don't discipline... Why? Cauz they are too dumb for that or cauz league owners coaches fail to proper develop them ? It's not like the sample size is too small, there are a bunch of black QBs in the league since years now.

im not stupid enough to say "black qb's haven't been successful because black people aren't smart." i'm just saying that thus far, a majority of dual threat qb's (largely the makeup of the black qb) run more than they need to, and more than they should, leading to ineffective long term play. however, the league has seen successful black qb's. warren moon is the posterchild example. doug williams won a superbowl. Donavan McNabb was successful and he was a dual threat guy who learned not to run too much (although he was a good-not-great pocket passer which was ultimately his demise anyway).

sorry if i didn't answer your question by turning a generalization into an absolute like "yeah, black qb's struggle because they are all intelligent." all i can say is they have by in large not been successful and for a common reason

[jeebus]

black qb's haven't been successful because black people aren't smart.

+1

[spurraider21]

[Brazil]

Creepn basically went on a rant about how dual threat QBs are better than pocket passing QBs then ended it by crying about how coaches use black QBs as dual threat QBs rather than pocket QBs.

Makes total sense, right?

Dual threat QBs are on paper a more powerful tool but it seems it is a curse. Of course because of the risk of injuries but also a more classic QB cannot hide a poor offense, you need much more balance on your team between running and passing game with a classic QB. This probably obliges the teams to be flawless on their recruitment, to be more disciplined as a team and to have a more structured play book which is essential to face intensity of playoff games. I'm not sure my line of idea is correct but this is the way I see it.

i still wish we could see soon a dual threat Black QB win a SB. It will eventually happen but it will be only on a top notch organization.