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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook
    You act like it can't be both of their faults. I'm not saying black quarterbacks are victims. Only a couple of them have truly pushed passed the crap and forced themselves to be considered pocket-passers. Warren Moon is rare in that regard. It's Pryor's fault he didn't go to a school with a quarterback guru as well as OSU's fault for not developing the quarterbacks they do get. If there had been a junior-NFL like I was talking about earlier in the thread, then Pryor would have faced almost-pro defenses from the start and would have either sunk or swam as a pocket-passer from jump street.
    How is it Ohio State's fault? Jim Tressell had just had a Heisman winning dual threat QB, there was absolutely no reason he would go out of his way to develop Pryor as a pocket passer. His job isn't to worry about Pryor's future in the NFL. It's Pryor's job to lookout for his NFL future and make it a condition during his recruitment.

    It's also revisionist history to pretend Pryor was a great pocket passer or anything. I saw a mediocre pocket passer who had poor mechanics but ran a lot in spite of having good weapons to throw to.
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  2. 10-09-2013 #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    How is it Ohio State's fault? Jim Tressell had just had a Heisman winning dual threat QB, there was absolutely no reason he would go out of his way to develop Pryor as a pocket passer. His job isn't to worry about Pryor's future in the NFL. It's Pryor's job to lookout for his NFL future and make it a condition during his recruitment.

    It's also revisionist history to pretend Pryor was a great pocket passer or anything. I saw a mediocre pocket passer who had poor mechanics but ran a lot in spite of having good weapons to throw to.
    I don't mean to say OSU should be punished. I mean to say that they played a role in not developing their quarterbacks and are part of the reason why a lot of good talent is wasted. It's more the fact that they could get to a national le game and get a Heisman winner out of a guy who never had NFL talent by relying on gimmicks. Pyror had legitimate NFL talent, but he probably wanted to go to a nearby school were he'd get a lot of spotlight and a chance at early playing time. Short-sighted on his part? Sure. But still doesn't absolve the system for allowing OSU to look like a good place for top recruits to sign.
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  3. 10-09-2013 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook
    I don't mean to say OSU should be punished. I mean to say that they played a role in not developing their quarterbacks and are part of the reason why a lot of good talent is wasted. It's more the fact that they could get to a national le game and get a Heisman winner out of a guy who never had NFL talent by relying on gimmicks. Pyror had legitimate NFL talent, but he probably wanted to go to a nearby school were he'd get a lot of spotlight and a chance at early playing time. Short-sighted on his part? Sure. But still doesn't absolve the system for allowing OSU to look like a good place for top recruits to sign.
    Yes, OSU played a role in not giving a about Pryor's NFL future. I readily admit that. My point is that Pryor is in re ed for ever expecting Ohio State to give a about his NFL fututre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook
    Short-sighted on his part? Sure. But still doesn't absolve the system for allowing OSU to look like a good place for top recruits to sign.
    Absolve the system? what system?

    OSU has no duty to prepare players for the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    Maybe "they're too dumb" might be racist (even though empirical evidence says it's true), it's not racist at all to say they buckle under an uncanny amount of pressure every time they get close because the black community puts A LOT more pressure on black QBs than the white community does white QBs. All RG3 needed to do was string together a few good games before America's entire black community hopped on his back and expected him to lead black America to wealth and prosperity because he demonstrated some ability to play QB.
    Just wanted to make sure this truth nuke didn't get overlooked, tbh
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  6. 10-09-2013 #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    Yes, OSU played a role in not giving a about Pryor's NFL future. I readily admit that. My point is that Pryor is in re ed for ever expecting Ohio State to give a about his NFL fututre.
    Then we pretty much agree. It wouldn't be the first time that a talented black man almost threw his future away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake
    Absolve the system? what system?

    OSU has no duty to prepare players for the NFL.
    I mean the system that doesn't have a league specifically designed to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook
    Then we pretty much agree. It wouldn't be the first time that a talented black man almost threw his future away.
    Regarding your comment about the system, imo it's long overdue that the NFL has a minor league system players can opt for over college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    How is it Ohio State's fault? Jim Tressell had just had a Heisman winning dual threat QB, there was absolutely no reason he would go out of his way to develop Pryor as a pocket passer. His job isn't to worry about Pryor's future in the NFL. It's Pryor's job to lookout for his NFL future and make it a condition during his recruitment.

    It's also revisionist history to pretend Pryor was a great pocket passer or anything. I saw a mediocre pocket passer who had poor mechanics but ran a lot in spite of having good weapons to throw to.
    like Robiskie and Sanzenbacher?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    like Robiskie and Sanzenbacher?
    Devier Posey tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by symple19
    Just wanted to make sure this truth nuke didn't get overlooked, tbh
    I'm surprised it didn't get any more responses.

    RG3 was literally criticized for not being black enough last season , how does the black community expect to have a successful black QB when they all have to worry about the level of blackness they exhibit in addition to how well they play QB
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    dont worry guys, Pryor will be the pioneer
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  14. 10-09-2013 #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    Regarding your comment about the system, imo it's long overdue that the NFL has a minor league system players can opt for over college.
    I'd rather it be a separate league like college so that players could physically develop for a few more years. Also, that league would have pretty stable rosters, whereas minor leagues have liquid rosters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    I'm surprised it didn't get any more responses.

    RG3 was literally criticized for not being black enough last season , how does the black community expect to have a successful black QB when they all have to worry about the level of blackness they exhibit in addition to how well they play QB
    Who was that dumb with the cornball brotha remark?

    caring about street cred in 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21


    Well nvm, that answers that
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    Honestly, you won't find a black person that has any sense at all that is fine with the way they're represented by their "leaders." The problem is that most enlightened black people lose a good deal of racial iden y due to being jeered for not being black enough for so long and just stay out of the fray. So it's really just the en led preacher preaching to the en led choir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
    Who was that dumb with the cornball brotha remark?

    caring about street cred in 2013
    Rob Parker , since been let go by ESPN
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    "Is he down for the cause?"

    Wtf does that even mean? What cause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook
    I mean the system that doesn't have a league specifically designed to do that.
    assuming a team drafts him and sends him to the minors.
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    Lol brings up RG3's possibly being republican as evidence that he's not "a real brotha." way to reduce your political voice to nothing more than the color of your skin
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
    "Is he down for the cause?"

    Wtf does that even mean? What cause?
    "he's not the guy you wanna hang out with because he's off doing something else"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
    "Is he down for the cause?"

    Wtf does that even mean? What cause?
    You really need to ask (or ax in this case) what that means

    It means something along the lines of, "Is RG3 gonna be the savior for black America we all thought Obama would be?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUNCANownsKOBE
    Regarding your comment about the system, imo it's long overdue that the NFL has a minor league system players can opt for over college.
    Yeah probably.

    But it would make college football suck as much as college basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake
    assuming a team drafts him and sends him to the minors.
    As I said earlier, I'd want a system that was like college without all of the school stuff and with significantly fewer teams to concentrate the talent. A minor-league system doesn't work as well, in my opinion, because I don't think players just out of high school are physically ready to play in the NFL and would be better served in stable systems rather than fluid minor systems. While watching college football would suck more, that new minor league would be pretty awesome. SEC football on steroids.
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