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    The Bible existed before Christianity..so what's your point...Christianity was handed down from the Mosaic law...the Bible unlike other religious dogma can be traced through historical / and proven through archeology based on world empires that existed...Can you make the same claim for the other religions....I need tangible proof btw similar to man's history that validates the Bible...
    The Amazing Spider-Man is true because New York actually exists.

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    and Judiasm is the pre-cursor for Christianity...the Mosiac Law....do you not agree?
    So?

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    AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA, YOU ARE SO ING STUPID
    He correctly pointed out about half a dozen established religions that pre-dated Christianity and Judiaism for that matter, which is exactly what he was asked to do.

    Not quite what I would call " ing stupid", unless your definition of ing stupid is providing the information asked for.

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    Truth about some of the archeological accounts in the bible is not proof that whole thing is true.

    Plenty of fiction references people and places that existed.

    Tolkien's world was based on England. Does that mean Gollum was real?
    ^ you're pivoting in your statement...while you acknowledge Biblical truth in tangible hard evidence you then become dismissive because you don't understand symbolism's, personifications, and the difference between figurative and literal meanings...

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    So? ok...so Judaism is nothing but a form of Christianity which pretty much gets us back to square 1....use your brain Woo Bum....

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    Not the reason i said he was stupid but okay.

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    The Amazing Spider-Man is true because New York actually exists.
    DING DING DING!!

    THere is archeological evidence that New York existed with buildings in it as Depicted in the Spider man Comic book bible.

    That means there was a guy who was bitten by a radioactive spider that fought bad guys in New York.


    I mean, I read a Bat man comic book the other day that very clearly showed Batman in Boston trying to track down Raesh Al Ghul, that was real, right?

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    So? ok...so Judaism is nothing but a form of Christianity
    No, it isn't. Judaism predated Christianity. If anything, the opposite is true.

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    ^ you're pivoting in your statement...while you acknowledge Biblical truth in tangible hard evidence you then become dismissive because you don't understand symbolism's, personifications, and the difference between figurative and literal meanings...
    Not really.

    I can acknowledge that some parts of the bible were fairly accurate in their portrayal of real events. That doesn't mean I have to accept every single thing in it as 100% true.

    Even a broken analogue clock is right twice a day, but I am not gonna use it to try and figure out when I need to go to work.

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    Most of what is known of the ancient world comes from the accounts of antiquity's own historians. Although it is important to take into account the bias of each ancient author, their accounts are the basis for our understanding of the ancient past. Some of the more notable ancient writers include Herodotus, Thucydides, Polybius, Sima Qian, Sallust, Livy, Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus.
    The earliest known systematic historical thought emerged in ancient Greece, beginning with Herodotus of Halicarnassus (484–c. 425 BC).Thucydides largely eliminated divine causality in his account of the war between Athens and Sparta,[33] establishing a rationalistic element which set a precedent for subsequent Western historical writings. He was also the first to distinguish between cause and immediate origins of an event.[33]

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    That is all you need and there is the proof. Do with it what you want. If you try to spin that then that's on you.

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    So? ok...so Judaism is nothing but a form of Christianity which pretty much gets us back to square 1....use your brain Woo Bum....
    Since we are on it, one other big problem is that the people who wrote about how well Jesus fit the prophecies knew the prophecies themselves.

    Kinda easy to make the account fit when you can tweak it to do so.

    Not proof in and of itself, but if you want to fool a bunch of people into believing something, you start with what they already believe and tell them how true that is...

    Look up the term "confirmation bias". Same today as it was 2000+ years ago.

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    No, it isn't. Judaism predated Christianity. If anything, the opposite is true.
    are you re ed...go back and re-read...Judaism is a per-cursor to Christianity....you are rather clueless

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    are you re ed...go back and re-read...Judaism is a per-cursor to Christianity....you are rather clueless
    That's exactly what he said, dumbass

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    That's exactly what he said, dumbass
    what he said was Judiasm wasn't a form of Christianity and he's wrong....your mama not in this thread so watch your language

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    That is all you need and there is the proof. Do with it what you want. If you try to spin that then that's on you.
    No it is not all I need and that isn't proof of anything.

    If you want to try and prove that Jesus existed, that is laughably pathetic.

    I don't have to spin if you can't even begin to prove that fairy tale with something other than some non sequitur bull from a long entry on ancient history you probably didn't read and would not have the critical thinking skills to evaluate even if you bothered to read the whole thing.

    Time for bed. No more of my time tonight, but feel free to actually try to prove anything resembling a point.

    1) tell me what you are trying to prove
    2) give some reasonable definitions
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    3) show me some evidence, along with your own words as to how that evidence supports your assertion


    When you can do that... wake me up. Until then, you got

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    You're a got. Can't even admit when you're wrong.

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    what he said was Judiasm wasn't a form of Christianity and he's wrong....your mama not in this thread so watch your language
    Judaism isn't a form of Christianity, moron. Christianity's central tenet is that Jesus was the son of God, and Judaism doesn't accept that as true.

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    Most of what is known of the ancient world comes from the accounts of antiquity's own historians. Although it is important to take into account the bias of each ancient author, their accounts are the basis for our understanding of the ancient past. Some of the more notable ancient writers include Herodotus, Thucydides, Polybius, Sima Qian, Sallust, Livy,Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus.
    The earliest known systematic historical thought emerged in ancient Greece, beginning withHerodotus of Halicarnassus (484–c. 425 BC). Thucydides largely eliminated divine causality in his account of the war between Athens and Sparta,[33] establishing a rationalistic element which set a precedent for subsequent Western historical writings. He was also the first to distinguish between cause and immediate origins of an event.[33

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    OWNED

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    what he said was Judiasm wasn't a form of Christianity and he's wrong....your mama not in this thread so watch your language
    But Judaism isn't a form of Christianity.... Christianity started out as a Jewish sect in the 1st century CE - if anything, Christianity is a form of Judaism....

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    And what are you trying to prove dumbass? That Jesus did not exist? What the have you posted that proves Jesus did not exist? LOL ing loser.

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    The Christ myth theory (also known as the Jesus myth theory or Jesus mythicism) is the proposition that Jesus of Nazareth never existed but was invented by the Christian community around 100 CE.[1] The idea was first put forward in the late 18th century and developed and popularised in the 19th by Bruno Bauer.[2] Bauer's three-fold argument, which set the basis for most subsequent adherents to the theory, was as follows:

    1. The New Testament, especially the gospels and the Pauline epistles, are of no historical value;
    2. The failure of ancient non-Christian writers of the 1st century to mention Jesus shows that he did not exist;
    3. Christianity was syncretistic and mythical in its beginnings.[3]

    The idea was revived in the early 20th century by the British rationalist John M. Robertson, in America by William Benjamin Smith, and in Germany by Arthur Drews;[4]contemporary exponents include G. A. Wells, Alvar Ellegård, Thomas L. Brodie, Robert M. Price and others with the writings of Wells emerging as the most thorough and sophisticated overview.[5]
    The Christ myth theory (or theories, allowing for the variations in the arguments) has failed to convince the vast majority of scholars, who "regard it as effectively refuted"[6].

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    Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[1][3][4][9][10][11] In antiquity, the existence of Jesus was never denied by those who opposed Christianity.[28][29] Robert E. Van Voorst states that the idea of the non-historicity of the existence of Jesus has always been controversial, and has consistently failed to convince virtually all scholars of many disciplines.[9] There is, however, widespread disagreement among scholars on the details of the life of Jesus mentioned in the gospel narratives, and on the meaning of his teachings.[5]
    Geoffrey Blainey notes that a few scholars have argued that Jesus did not exist, but writes that Jesus' life was in fact "astonishingly do ented" by the standards of the time - more so than any of his contemporaries - with numerous books, stories and memoirs written about him. The problem for the historian, wrote Blainey, is not therefore, determining whether Jesus actually existed, but rather in considering the "sheer mul ude of detail and its inconsistencies and contradictions".[30] Although a very small number of modern scholars argue that Jesus never existed, that view is a distinct minority and virtually all scholars consider theories that Jesus' existence was a Christian invention as implausible.[5][24]Christopher Tuckett states that the existence of Jesus and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate seem to be part of the bedrock of historical tradition, based on the availability of non-Christian evidence.[24] Graham Stanton states that "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed".[11]
    A number of ancient non-Christian do ents, such as Jewish and Greco-Roman sources, have been used in historical analyses of the existence of Jesus.[31] These include the works of 1st-century Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus.[31][32] Josephus scholarLouis H. Feldman has stated that "few have doubted the genuineness" of Josephus' reference to Jesus in Antiquities 20, 9, 1 and it is only disputed by a small number of scholars.[33][34][35][36] Bart D. Ehrman states that the existence of Jesus and his crucifixion by the Romans is attested to by a wide range of sources, including Josephus and Tacitus.[37]

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    And why put it in my own words when the good folks over at Wiki have done such a good job? What more proof do you want? Much of what we know about the Roman Empire is written by Tacitus, yet when he mentions Jesus he is no longer a credible source? How do we know that Augustus existed? Did Tacitus make him up like made up Jesus?

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