It's Pretty Simple...If You Believe In Right From Wrong - You Believe In God

[DMC]

I forgot to touch on prophecy and free will.
Free will can cancel out prophecy as well as it can create it, IMHO.
Look at the prophetic nature of the Mayan Calendar for example. Wasn't everything supposed to come to an end in December of 2012? Did it?
Not to my knowledge.

That's false prophesy. I am referring to true prophesy which is given by the biblical God to his prophets. Don't skirt the issue by muddying the waters with red herrings.

Or hey, maybe it did and all of this, and you, are just figments of my overworked imagination!
The huge power of free will combined with the even more huge power of forgiveness can literally work miracles of such the mind is incapable of even conceiving. I look at such theories as string theory, worm holes, and even greater unthought of things as this as possibilities.
In fact, I seriously doubt that anything is impossible anymore. One guy on here brought up replacing a missing limb or sight to a blind man. Yes, I believe there will come a day these things will happen, and what's more they will not even be considered miracles, because miracles are relative of the times.

You did not address how prophesy and free will can co-exist.

If prophesy exists, then the future is known. It's known by a creator who created an existence knowing the outcome, thus showing the outcome to certain select individuals. How then do the participants have free will to alter the outcome along the way?

Either answer the question or just say you don't know. Stop pretending you know anything about science.

[silverblk mystix]

You responded to a question that wasn't asked to you, and with gibberish at that.

You're a tool.

Another poster's reaction when given irrefutable truth.

This is why the world is where it is. Truth bites you in the ass and slaps you in the face and you say,

"uh....you're a tool"


lmao

[DMC]

Another poster's reaction when given irrefutable truth.

This is why the world is where it is. Truth bites you in the ass and slaps you in the face and you say,

"uh....you're a tool"


lmao

If you had anything even bordering on irrefutable truth you'd probably put it in your ass.

[silverblk mystix]

Here is a parable that really fits and describes this whole forum - this whole in' planet - and ALL OF US;


A group of tourists are traveling in a bus that is passing through gorgeously beautiful country;lakes,mountains,green fields and rivers.
But the shades of the bus are pulled down. They do not have the slightest idea of what lies beyond the windows of the bus. All of the time on their journey - is spent in squabbling over who will have the seat of honor in the bus,who will be applauded, who will be well-considered.
And so they remain until the journey's end.



Try to prove that isn't true.

[xmas1997]

That's false prophesy. I am referring to true prophesy which is given by the biblical God to his prophets. Don't skirt the issue by muddying the waters with red herrings.

You did not address how prophesy and free will can co-exist.

If prophesy exists, then the future is known. It's known by a creator who created an existence knowing the outcome, thus showing the outcome to certain select individuals. How then do the participants have free will to alter the outcome along the way?

Either answer the question or just say you don't know. Stop pretending you know anything about science.

Well! Excuse me!

I did answer the question. Free will plus forgiveness have the strength and ability to cancel out, or thwart, or alter even biblical prophecy, much less even any other prophecy, IMHO.
What this means is that each and every one of us can do this, and the closer we are to perfection and unity of God, and the greater we understand our union with all things, big, small, and otherwise, visible and invisible, the more instantaneous and perfect our new creation, or alteration will be.
It is really that simple. We just have this perverse need to make it hard. But science is showing us this.
The Mayan was only an example, nothing more, nothing less, I wasn't skirting the issue.
Maybe my explanation was too vague for you the first time.
It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

[DMC]

Well! Excuse me!

I did answer the question. Free will plus forgiveness have the strength and ability to cancel out, or thwart, or alter even biblical prophecy, much less even any other prophecy, IMHO.

How do you know this to be true?

What this means is that each and every one of us can do this, and the closer we are to perfection and unity of God, and the greater we understand our union with all things, big, small, and otherwise, visible and invisible, the more instantaneous and perfect our new creation, or alteration will be.
It is really that simple. We just have this perverse need to make it hard. But science is showing us this.
The Mayan was only an example, nothing more, nothing less, I wasn't skirting the issue.
Maybe my explanation was too vague for you the first time.
It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

You're proselytizing, not reconciling prophesy with free will. You're still skirting the issue.

[silverblk mystix]

If you had anything even bordering on irrefutable truth you'd probably put it in your ass.

Check your PM.

[DMC]

Here is a parable that really fits and describes this whole forum - this whole in' planet - and ALL OF US;


A group of tourists are traveling in a bus that is passing through gorgeously beautiful country;lakes,mountains,green fields and rivers.
But the shades of the bus are pulled down. They do not have the slightest idea of what lies beyond the windows of the bus. All of the time on their journey - is spent in squabbling over who will have the seat of honor in the bus,who will be applauded, who will be well-considered.
And so they remain until the journey's end.



Try to prove that isn't true.

It's a parable. How can it be true or false?

Here's a parable:

In a prison somewhere in Texas there's an inmate with three fingers up his ass. Those fingers are short and chubby, and they are hurting the sphincter of the inmate. The offending guard is digging for nuggets of wisdom but only finds some corn and a butter bean. The officer retreats, forgets again to wash his hands and resumes waxing philosophical on an obscure internet forum about the intricacies of the human condition. All the while the offended inmate is plotting to rape the asshole of the offending guard. Neither person is aware that the world outside continues along not giving a if either of them lives or dies.

Try to prove that isn't true

[silverblk mystix]

It's a parable. How can it be true or false?

Here's a parable:

In a prison somewhere in Texas there's an inmate with three fingers up his ass. Those fingers are short and chubby, and they are hurting the sphincter of the inmate. The offending guard is digging for nuggets of wisdom but only finds some corn and a butter bean. The officer retreats, forgets again to wash his hands and resumes waxing philosophical on an obscure internet forum about the intricacies of the human condition. All the while the offended inmate is plotting to rape the asshole of the offending guard. Neither person is aware that the world outside continues along not giving a if either of them lives or dies.

Try to prove that isn't true

Check your PM, thanks.

[DMC]

Check your PM, thanks.

So, why the animosity towards me?

This has been going on forever - yet - I cannot remember why?

The deal before with the pic - same thing - I had a quarrel with others and you did your deal and when I asked you why-- you said me and Avante were ting on the forum by bumping threads and whatnot...

Still does not explain YOUR beef with me and why? But I humored you - pulled back, stopped bumping threads - (still don't understand why that bothered you and who appointed you to represent the club- but I degress...)

What is the deal?

Unless there is something in particular that I did to you (I am not denying it - I have acted like more than a horses ass many times - but I cannot recall where YOU were the opponent)

WTF?

Seriously.

Care to discuss?

lol

[silverblk mystix]

lol

I figured you'd do that - not even surprised.

Care to address it?

[DMC]

I figured you'd do that - not even surprised.

Care to address it?

Not really. Stick to being a semen shield for the Avante troll, avoid responding to things you don't understand. That's a good first step toward recovery for you.

[silverblk mystix]

Not really. Stick to being a semen shield for the Avante troll, avoid responding to things you don't understand. That's a good first step toward recovery for you.

So when spoken to like a man - and shown respect - this is what you respond with?

No dignity to discuss anything respectfully?

I am giving you every chance to explain your odd behavior - that is all -

[DMC]

So when spoken to like a man - and shown respect - this is what you respond with?

No dignity to discuss anything respectfully?

I am giving you every chance to explain your odd behavior - that is all -

So you need to leave the public forum to show me respect?

Act like somebody already. I bet if I was incarcerated you'd not have a problem manning up.

[xmas1997]

How do you know this to be true?

You're proselytizing, not reconciling prophesy with free will. You're still skirting the issue.

No, I'm not.
I'm stating an opinion that is based on my personal beliefs.
You asked a question. I gave you my answer.
It's not up to me if you believe it or not. It's up you.
In fact I started the whole thing by qualifying that very point.
You are more than welcome to believe whatever you desire as far as I am concerned, no skin off my back.
So for all your beliefs and disbeliefs up to this point in your life, how has that got you?
Happy? If so, great.
Unhappy, don't worry, it'll improve.
Either way, I am just discussing, and you will get no proselytizing out of me.
Nor will you lure me into a pissing contest, been there, done that.

[silverblk mystix]

So you need to leave the public forum to show me respect?

Act like somebody already. I bet if I was incarcerated you'd not have a problem manning up.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might explain why the hostility towards me specifically. If I was somehow responsible - i would man up and discuss it with you personally. It makes sense that if things need to be cleared up - or understood -that privately is the proper way to do it.

Seems that you are unable or unwilling to speak sincerely without insults - guess that is your deal and you have pretty much shown everyone here exactly what you are about.

A man does not act in these ways when spoken to respectfully.

[ChumpDumper]

So you need to leave the public forum to show me respect?

That is curious.

Why the PM, SBM?

Did you not want anyone seeing you show respect?

[DMC]

No, I'm not.
I'm stating an opinion that is based on my personal beliefs.
You asked a question. I gave you my answer.
It's not up to me if you believe it or not. It's up you.
In fact I started the whole thing by qualifying that very point.
You are more than welcome to believe whatever you desire as far as I am concerned, no skin off my back.
So for all your beliefs and disbeliefs up to this point in your life, how has that got you?
Happy? If so, great.
Unhappy, don't worry, it'll improve.
Either way, I am just discussing, and you will get no proselytizing out of me.
Nor will you lure me into a pissing contest, been there, done that.

Your answer had nothing to do with reconciling determinism (prophesy) with free will. It was just you talking about how mysterious everything is and how it's all wide open to interpretation, when it's really not.

[DMC]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might explain why the hostility towards me specifically. If I was somehow responsible - i would man up and discuss it with you personally. It makes sense that if things need to be cleared up - or understood -that privately is the proper way to do it.

Seems that you are unable or unwilling to speak sincerely without insults - guess that is your deal and you have pretty much shown everyone here exactly what you are about.

A man does not act in these ways when spoken to respectfully.

So you can be a in public but you'll discuss it behind closed doors? Do you work for the government?

[silverblk mystix]

That is curious.

Why the PM, SBM?

Did you not want anyone seeing you show respect?

just trying to speak to one person ...don't need an audience ...
why is one needed?

[xmas1997]

Your answer had nothing to do with reconciling determinism (prophesy) with free will. It was just you talking about how mysterious everything is and how it's all wide open to interpretation, when it's really not.

Then how do you reconcile it?
And what's more, why is there a need for reconciliation in the first place?

[DMC]

Then how do you reconcile it?
And what's more, why is there a need for reconciliation in the first place?

Because they cannot co-exist. It's a paradox.

This is very basic logic.

[DMC]

just trying to speak to one person ...don't need an audience ...
why is one needed?

Funny, you sure seem to want an audience when you butt in on a conversation between me and another poster with your misguided, naive philosophical ramblings calling either him or I (or both) stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

just trying to speak to one person ...don't need an audience ...
why is one needed?

People speak to one person all the time in this public forum.

You included.

Why the change?

[xmas1997]

Because they cannot co-exist. It's a paradox.

This is very basic logic.

You are en led to your opinion.
I disagree however and I stand behind what I told you.
Free will plus forgiveness cancels out prophecy, alters it, or makes it moot at best. And in fact can create new prophecy which in turn can be canceled as well.
That is my opinion.