Reply With QuoteIt's not an opinion. They are opposites. How can both be true? Was the birth of Christ not prophesied? How did that jive with your "free will plus forgiveness"?
Did Mary have a choice? Did Judas have a choice? Did Jesus have a choice?
are you saying that this thread was a private conversation?
I was certain that I was posting in an open thread and stating my opinion. Lol
It's not an opinion. They are opposites. How can both be true? Was the birth of Christ not prophesied? How did that jive with your "free will plus forgiveness"?
Did Mary have a choice? Did Judas have a choice? Did Jesus have a choice?
And I responded in kind without the need for a private message to you. It's not like you have a shining reputation to uphold here.
does not explain your personal beef w/me
the universe and life itself contain paradoxes
is the universe ...illogical?
It became a moot point, paradox, whatever you want to call it once Christ gave us His new commandments and fulfilled the law.
He showed nothing was impossible, if it can be conceived then it can be created, even the paradox of paradoxes.
And yes, they all had choices IMHO.
Your notion that it is a paradox and opposites and thus cannot be resolved is nothing more than your opinion.
My opinion is different is all.
Take it or leave it.
It is what it is and not worth being concerned about.
You asked for my opinion and I obliged.
Not really much more I can explain about it.
Not true.
What paradox exists in the universe?
It's so easy to make these off the cuff assertions but never do you support them with any data or evidence. You just make the assertion.
More gooey Christian proselytizing. You should avoid these debates, you're only interested in starry eyed faith anyhow. You've not shown one ounce of interest in legitimate discussion.
Universal paradox.
You are free to choose, but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.
That is one typical universal paradox.
However, the condition of free will plus forgiveness undoes the paradoxical nature of it IMHO.
Don't flatter yourself.
That's not a paradox. Do you have any idea what a paradox is?
how bout the lazy wiki copypasta;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox
Seriously?
I respectfully ask, this is the best paradox you could find?
...or the lazy google copypasta;
Paradoxes in Finite and Infinite Universes
As we have seen, the finite Universes seem somewhat counter-intuitive due to their finite volume. If the Universe is finite then there is at least one direction in which we can travel in a straight path and we would return back to Earth. Moreover, if the Universe is "non-orientable" our body could be "flipped over" (a mirror image) when we come back!
Is an infinite Universe any less counter-intuitive? The following is usually called the infinite replication paradox:
Suppose the Universe is infinite and it does look the same everywhere we go (lots of galaxies, stars, etc). Then, any event that has a positive probability (positive chance of happening, even it it is 1 in a billion trillion trillions) happens infinitely often. The consequences of this fact are quite surprising.
1) The existence of planets like earth seems to be of positive probability, since earth exists and astrophysicists are finding many other planets around. Therefore, if the universe is infinite, there are infinitely many planets like earth in the universe.
2) There might be a positive probability for the existence of life. This is not clear, but we know that life exists, and it seems life should appear in any planet like Earth. Thus, if the universe is infinite, there are infinitely many planets which are earth-like and with life.
3) The fact that life might evolve into a being like YOU, exactly like you, is of positive probability (if we assume that life has a positive probability) because there are only so many molecules that can be formed which may be stable in an earth-like planet. Actually, it is of positive probability that a being exactly like you exists at *exactly this time*. So, if the universe is infinite, there are infinitely many copies of you populating the universe at this very moment!
4) Even more... Some theories say that time is infinite, that the universe has been contracting and expanding for ever. If this is true, then there have been infinitely many copies of you before you, in the past which have taken *all possible choices* that you have made in your life, those choices that you have taken and those which you have not
Are you saying traveling backward in time exists in the universe?
Line 2 of that article:
Despite the name, the grandfather paradox does not exclusively regard the impossibility of one's own birth. Rather, it regards any action that makes impossible the ability to travel back in time in the first place.
Sci-fi theories are the only paradoxes that exist in nature?
What you're posting are concepts, not existing paradoxes. You said paradoxes exist (then had to go on a Google search when called out on it).
Maybe if you avoid trying to sound smart you won't be made to look so stupid.
Then there is spiritual paradox of which I will spare you because I have already posted those before...
So there are paradoxes in the universe and in life but you stated they didn't exist - and I look stupid ...lol
The things you mentioned are only conceptual paradoxes. Don't make an assertion then have to scramble for evidence. What makes them a paradox is that they have self contradictions, meaning they cannot be true.
Prophecy is the true telling of the future.
Bible prophecy or biblical prophecy is typically the prediction of future events based on the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.[1] Such passages are widely distributed throughout the Bible, but those most often cited are from Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew 24, Matthew 25, and Revelation. Believers in biblical prophecy engage in exegesis and hermeneutics of scriptures which they believe contain descriptions of global politics, natural disasters, the future of the nation of Israel, the coming of a Messiah and a Messianic Kingdom, and the ultimate destiny of humankind.
Some prophecies in the Bible are conditional, with either the conditions implicitly assumed or explicitly stated.[2] Some prophetic passages are depicted as direct statements from God while other statements are expressed as the privileged perspective of the biblical author considered to be a prophet[citation needed]. The Biblical prophets are usually considered to have received revelations from God, subsequently recording them in the relevant writings.[3]
That negates free will.
If God can give revelations of the future, then the future is predetermined.
That makes the coexistence of free will and prophecy (not prophesy, which is a verb) a paradox.
Try to focus on that aspect, since that's where the subject went before you came in with your derailment.
Well that bolded part excludes me - so carry on -
So you don't believe that the birth of Jesus was prophesied in the OT?
First, one more wiki paste-just an interesting quote;
The world of science lives fairly comfortably with paradox. We know that light is a wave, and also that light is a particle. The discoveries made in the infinitely small world of particle physics indicate randomness and chance, and I do not find it any more difficult to live with the paradox of a universe of randomness and chance and a universe of pattern and purpose than I do with light as a wave and light as a particle. Living with contradiction is nothing new to the human being.
Madeleine L'Engle
Can't say I am one for arguing or taking stances on a book that is generally mis-translated by everyone.
All I have claimed is that there is a lot of wisdom in the book - where it came from or who can prove this or that -IMO - is a waste of time. What is important is the wisdom contained.
I also do not agree - and it is IMO - that just because there are inconsistencies - or even false things in the book - I don't agree that it makes all of it worthless.
I also do not and cannot comprehend when someone is arguing about "GOD" -I cannot comprehend it at all - because there are a lot of assumptions that have never been proven and here we are arguing over a mystery.
I don't believe that "god" is separate from us - or us from "it" - it is like the little fish in the ocean asking directions for how to get to the ocean.
We are in the middle of "it"
Meaning you have the proper translation for comparison?
Useless hodgepodge of generic statements.All I have claimed is that there is a lot of wisdom in the book - where it came from or who can prove this or that -IMO - is a waste of time. What is important is the wisdom contained.
No one made that argument. On a cold day, it could serve as decent kindling material.I also do not agree - and it is IMO - that just because there are inconsistencies - or even false things in the book - I don't agree that it makes all of it worthless.
So you're an observer and need to sit it out since you feel intimidated by it. I addressed the "mystery" claim already. It's false.I also do not and cannot comprehend when someone is arguing about "GOD" -I cannot comprehend it at all - because there are a lot of assumptions that have never been proven and here we are arguing over a mystery.
That's a lot of belief statements without answering the question.I don't believe that "god" is separate from us - or us from "it" - it is like the little fish in the ocean asking directions for how to get to the ocean.
Your claim is baseless. It's just rhetoric unless you can offer some evidence to support it. You might as well say we live in the asshole of a celestial dragon.We are in the middle of "it"
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