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    Over reach here again Boutons.
    Overreach? ??

    We'll see if the coastal 1%ers get their lackeys in Congress to delay or kill this bill.



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    Why Giving Republican Bullies a Bloody Nose Isn't Enough

    Now is the time to lance the boil of Republican extremism once and for all.

    Since Barack Obama became president, the extremists who have taken over the Republican Party have escalated their demands every time he's caved, using the entire government of the United States as their bargaining chit.

    In 2010 he agreed to extend all of the Bush tax cuts through the end of 2012. Were they satisfied? Of course not.

    In the summer of 2011, goaded by an influx of Tea Partiers, they demanded huge spending cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling. In response, the President offered an overly-generous $4 trillion "Grand Bargain," including cuts in Social Security and Medicare and whopping cuts in domestic spending (bringing it to its lowest level as a share of gross domestic product in over half a century).


    Were Republicans content? No. When they demanded more, Obama agreed to a Super Committee to find bigger cuts, and if the Super Committee failed, a "sequester" that would automatically and indiscriminately slice everything in the federal budget except Social Security and Medicare.


    Not even Obama's re-election put a damper on their increasing demands. By the end of 2012, they insisted that the Bush tax cuts be permanently extended or the nation would go over the "fiscal cliff." Once again, Obama caved, agreeing to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes up to $400,000.


    Early this year, after the sequester went into effect, Republicans demanded even bigger spending cuts. Obama offered more cuts in Medicare and a "chained CPI" to reduce Social Security payments, in exchange for Republican concessions on taxes.


    Refusing the offer, and seemingly delirious with their power to hold the nation hostage, they demanded that the Affordable Care Act be repealed as a condition for funding the government and again raising the debt ceiling.

    This time, though, Obama didn't cave -- at least, not yet.

    The government is shuttered and the nation is on the verge of defaulting on its debts. But public opinion has turned sharply against the Republican Party. And the GOP's corporate and Wall Street backers are threatening to de-fund it.

    Suddenly the Republicans are acting like the school-yard bully who terrorized the playground but finally got punched in the face. They're in shock. They're humiliated. They're trying to come up with ways of saving face.

    With bloodied nose, House Republicans are running home. They've abruptly turned negotiations over to their Senate colleagues. (and little McConnell is running scared in KY)


    And just as suddenly, their demand to repeal or delay the Affordable Care Act has vanished. (An email from the group Tea Party Express says: "Are you like us wondering where the fight against Obamacare went?")

    At a lunch meeting in the Capitol, Senator John McCain asked a roomful of Republican senators if they still believed it was possible to reverse parts of the program. According to someone briefed on the meeting, no one raised a hand -- not even Ted Cruz.


    It appears that negotiations over the federal budget deficit are about to begin once again, and presumably Senate Republicans will insist that Obama and the Democrats give way on taxes and spending in exchange for reopening the government and raising the debt ceiling for at least another year.


    But keeping the government running and paying the nation's bills should never have been bargaining chits in the first place, and the President and Democrats shouldn't begin to negotiate over future budgets until they're taken off the table.


    The question is how thoroughly President Obama has learned that extortionist demands escalate if you give in to them.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_4091415.html


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    red-staters, macho "Rugged Individualist" cattlemen, Repug voters, whining about no Fed/USDA help with their dead cows, cleanup, etc, etc during the Repug govt shutdown, which according to the Repug LIES, is inconsequential because only 17% of govt is out of action.

    Shutdown Hinders S.D. Post-Blizzard Cleanup



    http://www.npr.org/2013/10/14/233790...under-blizzard
    Wow...

    All these examples of jobs not getting done, that are local, county, and state functions...

    Just another lib logic thread...

    Just take pictures of the dead lifestock for when the agencies are back in business.

    Problem solved.

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    Wow...

    All these examples of jobs not getting done, that are local, county, and state functions...

    Just another lib logic thread...

    Just take pictures of the dead lifestock for when the agencies are back in business.

    Problem solved.
    the ranchers are smart enough to do that, but apparently they still call the closed USDA office of the govt they hate.

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    Gohmert: Congress-caused default is ‘an impeachable offense by the president’

    “Would you allow us to default on our debt?” a reporter from The Young Turks wondered.

    “No, that would be an impeachable offense by the president,” Gohmert declared.


    During an interview with Newsmax TV last week, Gohmert had said that the president didn’t mind “seeing America suffer,” but added that the government could not default if it stayed shut down.


    “And when you know — as I know you do — that we have enough money coming in every week to pay our — to keep from defaulting,” he explained. “Now, we may have to keep some folks furloughed. Because as we know now, 94 percent of the [Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)] is non-essential. You know, we may have to ask some folks that are non-essential to stay home for a while longer.”


    “But there is no reason we should ever, ever default on our debts unless the president and the treasury secretary conspire to make us default.”


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/14/gohmert-congress-caused-default-is-an-impeachable-offense-by-the-president/

    ing East TX (still profoundly a Confederate area), sending this ignorant asshole to Congress.



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    “But there is no reason we should ever, ever default on our debts unless the president and the treasury secretary conspire to make us default.”

    Cry about it all you want,...

    but that's a fact, Jack.


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    The party of Lincoln, grand but not yet old, feared the mischief that Southern senators and representatives might get up to when their states were readmitted to the Union. The Republicans’ foremost worry was that Congress might somehow be induced to cut funds for Union pensioners or pay off lenders who had gambled on a Confederate victory. But the language of the Fourteenth Amendment’s framers went further. Benjamin Wade, the president pro tem of the Senate, explained that the national debt would be safer once it was “withdrawn from the power of Congress to repudiate it.” He and his colleagues didn’t say just that the debt could not be put off, or left unpaid. They said that it couldn’t even be questioned.

    The new insurrection is different from the old one, and not only because this time it’s the Republicans who are the insurrectionaries. The old insurrectionaries wanted to destroy the government; the new ones wish merely to decimate it. The old ones’ weapons of choice were muskets and bayonets; the new ones confine themselves to mendacity, demagoguery, and obstructionism. The old ones were exclusively white and Southern; the new ones, while overwhelmingly white, are more widely distributed. The old ones no longer wished to be citizens of the United States; the new ones, some of them, profess to wonder if the President is a citizen at all.

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/commen...talk_hertzberg



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    “But there is no reason we should ever, ever default on our debts unless the president and the treasury secretary conspire to make us default.”

    Cry about it all you want,...

    but that's a fact, Jack.
    That's a right-wing fantasy fact, Jackass.

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    Overreach? ??

    We'll see if the coastal 1%ers get their lackeys in Congress to delay or kill this bill.



    The tea baggers should love this bill.
    The coastal developers will fight it hard as always. And the 1% that can actually afford to rebuild on their own without government help should be fine as well.

    Since you are all over the place I took this to mean you did not like the bill. I don't know the entirety of what is in the bill but the basic premise is long overdue.

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    That's a right-wing fantasy fact, Jackass.
    Not a fantasy at all dip , and you know it. You and your ilk are a big bunch of liars, and you think that's perfectly fine, because the means justify the end, which is to destroy conservatives.

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    Not a fantasy at all dip , and you know it. You and your ilk are a big bunch of liars, and you think that's perfectly fine, because the means justify the end, which is to destroy conservatives.
    They're doing a bang up job of that themselves.

    My only problem with that is they are trying to destroy the economy and current world monetary system in the process.

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    They're doing a bang up job of that themselves.

    My only problem with that is they are trying to destroy the economy and current world monetary system in the process.
    Wrong. They're understandingly trying to negotiate a reduction in spending, and putting us on a path to financial stability so we don't end up like Greece.

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    Wrong. They're understandingly trying to negotiate a reduction in spending, and putting us on a path to financial stability so we don't end up like Greece.
    we'll never become like greece.. you do know that don't you?

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    Wrong. They're understandingly trying to negotiate a reduction in spending, and putting us on a path to financial stability so we don't end up like Greece.
    Wrong. A small faction of the House is holding the world economy hostage because they are butthurt that they failed in the last election and want to defy the will of the American people expressed in that election.

    There is nothing responsible about their actions and they are "understandingly" being pilloried for them.

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    Not a fantasy at all dip , and you know it. You and your ilk are a big bunch of liars, and you think that's perfectly fine, because the means justify the end, which is to destroy conservatives.
    conspiracy between Pres and Treasury? it's a fact?

    All the Pres has to do is respect the Cons ution's 14th and tell the Treasury to keep borrowing.

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    we'll never become like greece.. you do know that don't you?
    Continuing down the road we're on and given enough time, of course we could become like Greece. Keep those rose colored glasses on. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

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    Continuing down the road we're on and given enough time, of course we could become like Greece. Keep those rose colored glasses on. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
    Well the bag Republicans can make that case in the upcoming elections.

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    I took this to mean you did not like the bill.
    you took me wrong, naturally

    I was pointing out that tea baggers and libertarians wanting "small govt" should take this bill as an example how deeply govt subsidies and spending keeps the country rolling.

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    Since you are all over the place
    watsamata? can't keep up with my encyclopedic slapping of all things bubba, redstate, Repug, tea baggers, libertarian, VRWC?
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    Shutdown Leaves Some Seniors Worried About Their Next Meal

    You've no doubt heard of Senior Meals on Wheels preparing hot meals delivered to the elderly. But there's a different meal program that's been put on hold because of the partial government shutdown. It's the USDA's Commodity Supplemental Food Program.
    In Michigan's western Kent County alone, more than 1,300 low-income seniors depend on . For them, it's a nutrition lifeline: They can't just go to a food pantry for similar assistance.

    Bill Anderson, 81, and his wife, June, 83, are among those affected. Medical emergencies have depleted their savings. Social Security provides enough money to pay the utilities and insurance, but they turn to the government food program for meals.

    They rely on weekly deliveries of nutritionally balanced surplus food. "The pantry gives you food, but not really enough to put in your refrigerator," June Anderson says.

    "I would get out and beg before I'd let us go hungry," Bill Anderson adds.


    Ron Cusin, who boxes up the basics that come from USDA's Commodity Supplemental Food Program, says usually the packages include some dried milk, pasta and two different types of juice.


    You qualify for the program if you're over 60 with an annual income under $15,000. Distribution agencies in 40 states and two Native American reservations hand out the food packages. In Michigan, 29 agencies feed tens of thousands of residents — or they did until Oct. 3, when the USDA stopped reimbursing those agencies.


    At the in Kent County, Mich., Judy Cusin (who is married to Ron Cusin) had to break the news to 1,500 low-income seniors that their next meal had been eliminated.


    "We get all of our meat from the government," she says. Or rather, they did. "Hopefully," Knight says, "that will come back."

    Aid officials say that nearly one-quarter of USDA's surplus food trickles down to local pantries. For Knight, that makes up one-half to three-quarters of her inventory. Losing that surplus means it's slimmer pickings for the families who come here to fill their stomachs.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...l?sc=17&f=1128


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    Shutdown Leaves Some Seniors Worried About Their Next Meal

    You've no doubt heard of Senior Meals on Wheels preparing hot meals delivered to the elderly. But there's a different meal program that's been put on hold because of the partial government shutdown. It's the USDA's Commodity Supplemental Food Program.
    In Michigan's western Kent County alone, more than 1,300 low-income seniors depend on . For them, it's a nutrition lifeline: They can't just go to a food pantry for similar assistance.

    Bill Anderson, 81, and his wife, June, 83, are among those affected. Medical emergencies have depleted their savings. Social Security provides enough money to pay the utilities and insurance, but they turn to the government food program for meals.

    They rely on weekly deliveries of nutritionally balanced surplus food. "The pantry gives you food, but not really enough to put in your refrigerator," June Anderson says.

    "I would get out and beg before I'd let us go hungry," Bill Anderson adds.


    Ron Cusin, who boxes up the basics that come from USDA's Commodity Supplemental Food Program, says usually the packages include some dried milk, pasta and two different types of juice.


    You qualify for the program if you're over 60 with an annual income under $15,000. Distribution agencies in 40 states and two Native American reservations hand out the food packages. In Michigan, 29 agencies feed tens of thousands of residents — or they did until Oct. 3, when the USDA stopped reimbursing those agencies.


    At the in Kent County, Mich., Judy Cusin (who is married to Ron Cusin) had to break the news to 1,500 low-income seniors that their next meal had been eliminated.


    "We get all of our meat from the government," she says. Or rather, they did. "Hopefully," Knight says, "that will come back."

    Aid officials say that nearly one-quarter of USDA's surplus food trickles down to local pantries. For Knight, that makes up one-half to three-quarters of her inventory. Losing that surplus means it's slimmer pickings for the families who come here to fill their stomachs.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/201...l?sc=17&f=1128

    If you're that concerned about it, get off your lazy ass and join a local church group and help deliver food to the old folks. Oh, you're not THAT concerned. I see.

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    If you're that concerned about it, get off your lazy ass and join a local church group and help deliver food to the old folks. Oh, you're not THAT concerned. I see.


    I've PAID for that public assistance already.

    YOU call your Repug Congresscreep and Senators and tell them shutdown the shutdown.

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    If you're that concerned about it, get off your lazy ass and join a local church group and help deliver food to the old folks. Oh, you're not THAT concerned. I see.
    So you're not concerned about them at all?

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    You on Boutons team now brah

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    So you're not concerned about them at all?
    Not as concerned as you evidently. Let us know how it went on your food delivery route today.

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