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    Not as concerned as you evidently. Let us know how it went on your food delivery route today.
    Good to know you are completely fine with the elderly starving.

    It would be easier if the Republicans just started up the government again tbh.

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    Good to know you are completely fine with the elderly starving.

    It would be easier if the Republicans just started up the government again tbh.
    But the fact of the matter is, the government IS shutdown and these elderly need food, and YOU could do something about it RIGHT NOW.



    What?... You're still here? ..You cold hearted bas .

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    But the fact of the matter is, the government IS shutdown and these elderly need food, and YOU could do something about it RIGHT NOW.



    What?... You're still here? ..You cold hearted bas .
    Hey, you agree they Republicans are cold hearted bas s.


    Nice.

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    Hey, you agree they Republicans are cold hearted bas s.


    Nice.

    Just spare us the fake concern from now on. Thanks.

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    Just spare us the fake concern from now on. Thanks.
    I'm checking to see what the situation is in Austin.

    You?

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    I'm checking to see what the situation is in Austin.

    You?


    Chump to the rescue. You're right up there with Sean Penn paddling around the 9th ward after Katrina. Be sure to get some pics.

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    Why would you mock Meals on Wheels?

    Weird.

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    Why would you mock Meals on Wheels?

    Weird.
    Pics or it didn't happen.

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    Pics or it didn't happen.
    Pics of what?

    What is your problem here?

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    Pics of what?

    What is your problem here?
    Don't play dumb. It's very unbecoming. Pics of you delivering meals to old folks of course.

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    Don't play dumb. It's very unbecoming. Pics of you delivering meals to old folks of course.
    Of course why?

    What would it do for you?

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    Of course why?

    What would it do for you?
    It's what it would do for YOU. It would show everyone you're not a typical liberal hypocrite.

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    It's what it would do for YOU. It would show everyone you're not a typical liberal hypocrite.
    So that's what is does for "everyone."

    Not me.

    Just say you fancy a pic of me. Jeez.

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    How Christian Delusions Are Driving the GOP Insane


    The willingness of Republicans to take the debt ceiling and the federal budget hostage in order to try to extract concessions from Democrats is probably the most lasting gift that the Tea Party has granted the country. More reasonable Republican politicians fear being primaried by Tea Party candidates. A handful of wide-eyed fanatics in Congress have hijacked the party. The Tea Party base and the hard right politicians driving this entire thing seem oblivious to the consequences. It’s no wonder, since so many of them---particularly those in leadership---are fundamentalist Christians whose religions have distorted their worldview until they cannot actually see what they’re doing and what kind of damage it would cause.

    The press often talks about the Tea Party like they’re secularist movement that is interested mainly in promoting “fiscal conservatism”, a vague notion that never actually seems to make good on the promise to save taxpayer money. The reality is much different: The Tea Party is actually driven primarily by fundamentalist Christians whose penchant for magical thinking and belief that they’re being guided by divine forces makes it tough for them to see the real world as it is.

    It’s not just that the rogue’s gallery of congress people who are pushing the hardest for hostage-taking as a negotiation tactic also happens to be a bench full of Bible thumpers.

    Pew Research shows that people who align with the Tea Party
    are more likely to not only agree with the views of religious conservatives, but are likely to cite religious belief as their prime motivation for their political views. White evangelicals are the religious group most likely to approve of the Tea Party.

    Looking over the data, it becomes evident that the “Tea Party” is just a new name for the same old white fundamentalists who would rather burn this country to the ground than share it with everyone else, and this latest power play from the Republicans is, in essence, a move from that demographic to assert their “right” to control the country, even if their politicians aren’t in power.


    It’s no surprise, under the cir stances, that a movement controlled by fundamentalist Christians would be oblivious to the very real dangers that their actions present. Fundamentalist religion is extremely good at convincing its followers to be more afraid of imaginary threats than real ones, and to engage in downright magical thinking about the possibility that their own choices could work out very badly. When you believe that forcing the government into default in an attempt to derail Obamacare is the Lord’s work, it’s very difficult for you to see that it could have very real, negative effects.


    It’s hard for the Christian fundamentalists who run the Republican Party now to worry about the serious economic danger they’re putting the world in, because they are swept up in worrying that President Obama is an agent of the devil and that the world is on the verge of mayhem and apocalypse if they don’t “stop” him somehow, presumably be derailing the Affordable Care Act. Christian conservatives such as Ellis Washington are running around telling each other that the ACA will lead to “the systematic genocide of the weak, minorities, enfeebled, the elderly and political enemies of the God-state.” Twenty percent of Republicans believe Obama is the Antichrist.Washington Times columnist Jeffrey Kuhner argued that Obama is using his signature health care legislation to promote “the destruction of the family, Christian culture”, and demanded that Christians “need to engage in peaceful civil disobedience against President Obama’s signature health care law”.

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    Red States Discover The Pain of Paying Their Own Way

    many of these states that depend on tourism dollars from national monuments discovered in no time flat how much they count on the Federal government to subsidize them. And were forced to admit it.

    The Obama administration’s willingness to reopen national parks shuttered by the government shutdown came with a big caveat: States must foot the bill with money they likely won’t see again.
    So far, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Arizona and New York have jumped at the deal. Governors in other states were trying to gauge Friday what would be the bigger economic hit — paying to keep the parks operating or losing the tourist money that flows when the scenic attractions are open.

    South Dakota and several corporate donors worked out a deal with the National Park Service to reopen Mount Rushmore beginning Monday. Gov. Dennis Daugaard said it will cost $15,200 a day to pay the federal government to run the landmark in the Black Hills.

    Arizona officials said a deal reached Friday will mean visitors should be able to return to Grand Canyon National Park on Saturday.


    In Utah, federal workers rushed to reopen five national parks for 10 days after the state sent $1.67 million to the U.S. government with the hope of saving its lucrative tourist season.


    Just over 400 national parks, recreation areas and monuments — including such icons as the Grand Canyon and Yosemite — have been closed since Oct. 1 because of the partial government shutdown.

    Officials in some states were not happy about paying to have the parks reopened.

    In Arizona, Republican Gov. Jan Brewer balked at spending about $112,000 a day for a full reopening of the Grand Canyon. She said a partial reopening would be much cheaper while allowing tourists to visit and businesses to benefit.


    “The daily cost difference is enormous, especially without assurances that Arizona will be reimbursed,” said Andrew Wilder, a spokesman for Brewer.


    In the end, Arizona agreed to pay the Park Service $651,000 to keep the Grand Canyon open for seven days. The $93,000 a day is less than the $112,000 the federal government had said was needed to fund park operations each day.

    “Wyoming cannot bail out the federal government and we cannot use state money to do the work of the federal government,” Mead spokesman Renny MacKay said.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...?detail=email#


    Where the is the "free market" which always delivers the "optimal solution"?

    Another lesson for the govt-hatin/small-govt tea baggers about how Fed govt "intrudes" into their subsidized lives.

    Freedom! (to suck govt )!



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    Poll: Disapproval Of Republicans Hits New High

    A staggering 74 percent of Americans now disapprove of the way that congressional Republicans are handling Washington’s budget crisis, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll released Monday.

    The poll finds that popular perception of the GOP has been declining since the government shut down on October 1. Two weeks ago, 63 percent disapproved of the Republicans’ handling of the budget dispute; that number rose to 70 percent last week, and 74 percent today.


    By contrast, just 53 percent disapprove of President Obama’s handling of the crisis — essentially unchanged from before the government shutdown — and 61 percent disapprove of congressional Democrats on the issue, up from 56 percent two weeks ago.


    Disapproval of the GOP strategy cuts across demographic groups, but Republicans should be especially troubled by their performance among women, who disapprove of their handling of the budget dispute by an overwhelming 77 to 17 percent margin.

    Even among Republicans, 49 percent disapprove of their own party’s actions.

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    you took me wrong, naturally

    I was pointing out that tea baggers and libertarians wanting "small govt" should take this bill as an example how deeply govt subsidies and spending keeps the country rolling.
    What?

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    Continuing down the road we're on and given enough time, of course we could become like Greece. Keep those rose colored glasses on. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
    When another country holds the bank that issues or owns all of our debt then you can have that concern. Until then you should do more research so you can seem to have any clue of what you are talking about.

    Bundesbank is the fed of Germany. They controlled Greece's debt and because of that were able to dictate to Greece that they were going to eat a burger. We are not remotely in that situation.

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    When another country holds the bank that issues or owns all of our debt then you can have that concern. Until then you should do more research so you can seem to have any clue of what you are talking about.

    Bundesbank is the fed of Germany. They controlled Greece's debt and because of that were able to dictate to Greece that they were going to eat a burger. We are not remotely in that situation.
    Unless we control spending, we're screwed.

    The U.S. Has 20 Years Before Its Debt Will Reach Greek Levels



    The federal deficit was 67 percent of our GDP in 2011, which is pretty bad, but not as bad as in that of the U.K., Italy, Japan, or Greece, according to a chart compiled by The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. And, they claim, if our current rate of debt continues, we'll match Greece's current level in about 2030.

    Using 2011 data from the International Monetary Fund and the Congressional Budget Office, Heritage illustrates the U.S. debt trajectory and places different financially-addled countries along its line. The CBO numbers are from an "alternative fiscal scenario," a budget outlook that assumes several policies that were set to expire would be renewed and both spending and tax cuts continue. Heritage tweeted the graph out today, a part of its Federal Budget in Pictures series.

    Heritage's argument is that if the U.S. reaches Greece's debt level, the country will suffer similar economic distress. Regardless of what you draw from it, the graph does put national debt into perspective. The deficit is higher today than it has been in decades. It's not as bad as that of troubled European countries, but with some not-far-out cir stances, it could be.


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    Unless we control spending, we're screwed.

    The U.S. Has 20 Years Before Its Debt Will Reach Greek Levels



    The federal deficit was 67 percent of our GDP in 2011, which is pretty bad, but not as bad as in that of the U.K., Italy, Japan, or Greece, according to a chart compiled by The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. And, they claim, if our current rate of debt continues, we'll match Greece's current level in about 2030.

    Using 2011 data from the International Monetary Fund and the Congressional Budget Office, Heritage illustrates the U.S. debt trajectory and places different financially-addled countries along its line. The CBO numbers are from an "alternative fiscal scenario," a budget outlook that assumes several policies that were set to expire would be renewed and both spending and tax cuts continue. Heritage tweeted the graph out today, a part of its Federal Budget in Pictures series.

    Heritage's argument is that if the U.S. reaches Greece's debt level, the country will suffer similar economic distress. Regardless of what you draw from it, the graph does put national debt into perspective. The deficit is higher today than it has been in decades. It's not as bad as that of troubled European countries, but with some not-far-out cir stances, it could be.


    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...-levels/55607/
    Heritage Foundation. You know they are the ones that came up with the Obamacare scheme right?

    Again, we are our own creditor. Germany was Greece's creditor. You are probably never going to get the concept but for everyone else, even if our debt gets to Greece's ratio of debt to GDP or whatever arbitrary metric according to a made up 21 year 'projection' like the one here, it will never be the same. Germany controls the euro. We control the dollar. It should also put a bit of a different perspective of the Federal Reserve if you think about it.

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    Heritage Foundation. You know they are the ones that came up with the Obamacare scheme right?

    Again, we are our own creditor. Germany was Greece's creditor. You are probably never going to get the concept but for everyone else, even if our debt gets to Greece's ratio of debt to GDP or whatever arbitrary metric according to a made up 21 year 'projection' like the one here, it will never be the same. Germany controls the euro. We control the dollar. It should also put a bit of a different perspective of the Federal Reserve if you think about it.
    Fiddle away Nero.

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    Damn, the Republicans are taking more blame this time around than they did in 95.

    They learned nothing.

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    who gives a , there won't be any blue/red in the next 10 years. its OVER, we're FED THE UP FIRE THEM ALL.

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