do the irrational Manu haters seriously think Manu won't turn the corner this season?

[Leetonidas]

An old, injury prone 36 year old SG who has been in the NBA for a decade turning the corner? WTF?

Danny Green is an example of a player who turned the corner. Old players who are injury prone and in the twilight of their careers don't turn the corner and suddenly become 25 again


(except Tim Duncan, that dude is some kind of sorcerer)

[Skull-1]

An old, injury prone 36 year old SG who has been in the NBA for a decade turning the corner? WTF?

Danny Green is an example of a player who turned the corner. Old players who are injury prone and in the twilight of their careers don't turn the corner and suddenly become 25 again


(except Tim Duncan, that dude is some kind of sorcerer)

Tim never relied on wild athleticism. I mean, he is athletic, but not the kind that fades with time like a slasher Manu type. That being said, his turnaround has been absolutely astounding. Manu simply cannot even come close to that. Dude is done.

[xmas1997]

Judged, sentenced, and hung.
I think the jury is still out on Manu.
At the very least he deserves the benefit of the doubt after everything he has given to this organization and fandom.

The obsessive HATE for him is unreasonable and ungrateful and ignorant at best!

[superbigtime]

The jury is out??? haha. All the needed evidence for logical people to draw conclusions was provided during last year's entire season not to mention the playoffs and finals. I don't like Manu hate either, but it is clear beyond all doubt he cost the Spurs their 5th, and I don't say that in a hateful or spiteful way. I'm not angry at him (I was though). I'm still pissed at Pop for not making better decisions in the most important games. Was it bad luck? You bet. Do people create their own luck? Yes.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

An old, injury prone 36 year old SG who has been in the NBA for a decade turning the corner? WTF?



(except Tim Duncan, that dude is some kind of sorcerer)

Answered your own statement.

[Skull-1]

The jury is out??? haha. All the needed evidence for logical people to draw conclusions was provided during last year's entire season not to mention the playoffs and finals. I don't like Manu hate either, but it is clear beyond all doubt he cost the Spurs their 5th, and I don't say that in a hateful or spiteful way. I'm not angry at him (I was though). I'm still pissed at Pop for not making better decisions in the most important games. Was it bad luck? You bet. Do people create their own luck? Yes.

+1 (Except I will remain angry until I see a change in him for the better--dial it back, make better decisions, accept responsibility....SOMETHING! "I played so-so" and "I don't think revenge" are NOT what I want to hear from him.)

[Bruno]

What is irrational is to think Manu will be better this season than the last one.

[superbigtime]

+1 (Except I will remain angry until I see a change in him for the better--dial it back, make better decisions, accept responsibility....SOMETHING! "I played so-so" and "I don't think revenge" are NOT what I want to hear from him.)

I don't blame him for not owning up to his awful Finals play and all the errors, missed free throws, etc. It's humiliating enough for him to know that the global basketball community KNOWS how bad he truly was. If he wants to deny it, it's ok, he's only human. I just want the helter skelter spazz mode play to get under control and for him to shoot a better FT% than Tim Duncan.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What is irrational is to think Manu will be better this season than the last one.

I don't see how that is irrational, especially considering it was done with Duncan. Even if you want to pass the claim that "Duncan is different, he is Tim Duncan" - let me just state that that is a baseless claim.

Many people have gotten better with age. Throw into the account of his preseason performances, electing not to play Euro-ball, and having the offseason to rest his hamstrings - that clearly effected him in the finals (he's not a pus like D-Wade) - I think there is a lot to be optimistic about.

I think you need to look up the term "irrational".

[Leetonidas]

Answered your own statement.

What Duncan did is unprecedented, and he was not injury prone nor is/was Ginobili ever on the level of Tim Duncan. To expect Ginobili to do something because Duncan did is just silly

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What Duncan did is unprecedented, and he was not injury prone nor is/was Ginobili ever on the level of Tim Duncan. To expect Ginobili to do something because Duncan did is just silly

Read my post above yours

[Leetonidas]

Some players get better with age, yes, but usually the difference is seen from like 23 to 28, not 30+ to 37. Manu will not be better this season than any previous, to expect that is just laughable. I'm not a Manu hater, just a realist. Just because Duncan, one of the greatest players of all-time and the best at his position, was able to do something no one else has ever done and have a better season at 37 than the previous two doesn't mean in any way that Manu is capable of doing the same. Just think about how ridiculous that sounds

[Leetonidas]

Meh, Manu was not injured last season and was healthy going into his disastrous post season. Him resting and his hamstrings have absolutely nothing to do with his horrible decision making and timely turnovers.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Some players get better with age, yes, but usually the difference is seen from like 23 to 28, not 30+ to 37. Manu will not be better this season than any previous, to expect that is just laughable. I'm not a Manu hater, just a realist. Just because Duncan, one of the greatest players of all-time and the best at his position, was able to do something no one else has ever done and have a better season at 37 than the previous two doesn't mean in any way that Manu is capable of doing the same. Just think about how ridiculous that sounds

What sounds even more ridiculous is to completely write him off and completely shut down the thought of him getting better, especially since he has done all the things I've mentioned. He looks healthier, bigger, and his shot is on point right now.

[Leetonidas]

I'd wager to say that if you looked up a list of 36 year old SGs with a decade plus in the league, not many of them are having good years at that point in their careers except for legends like MJ or steroid abusers like Kobe. Like I said, expecting someone who will be 37 by seasons end to turn back the clock this season is just setting yourself up for disappointment

[Skull-1]

Some players get better with age, yes, but usually the difference is seen from like 23 to 28, not 30+ to 37. Manu will not be better this season than any previous, to expect that is just laughable. I'm not a Manu hater, just a realist. Just because Duncan, one of the greatest players of all-time and the best at his position, was able to do something no one else has ever done and have a better season at 37 than the previous two doesn't mean in any way that Manu is capable of doing the same. Just think about how ridiculous that sounds

Oh shut up, hater. LOL Logic has no place here.

[Skull-1]

Meh, Manu was not injured last season and was healthy going into his disastrous post season. Him resting and his hamstrings have absolutely nothing to do with his horrible decision making and timely turnovers.

[Leetonidas]

I'm not writing him off. It just seems like the pro-Manu crowds thinks that 2005-2007 Ginobili is going to somehow reappear because of a few preseason games (seriously, it's the ing preseason, let's stop basing our outlook on that). It IS completely ridiculous to think he will get BETTER. To say he will reign it in and play more to his abilities is what I would like to see. Manu is not 26 anymore and him playing like a 26 year old hurts the Spurs big time. I would love for Manu to play well, it would certainly increase our odds, and I'm not one of the people who wants to see him fail at the expense of the team just to be right. I'd love to be proven wrong and would eat a plate full of crow if he does. Fact is, history and science in general is not on your side of this argument. And after his pitiful display in the 2013 postseason it's not a reach for anyone to expect him to continue declining. Aside from the Manu homers on ST, everyone in the entire world who watched the Spurs play can see that he is declining big time.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Oh shut up, hater. LOL Logic has no place here.

Yep. Your logic that has 25% of the forum thinking you're stupid as . Continue.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm not writing him off. It just seems like the pro-Manu crowds thinks that 2005-2007 Ginobili is going to somehow reappear because of a few preseason games (seriously, it's the ing preseason, let's stop basing our outlook on that). It IS completely ridiculous to think he will get BETTER. To say he will reign it in and play more to his abilities is what I would like to see. Manu is not 26 anymore and him playing like a 26 year old hurts the Spurs big time. I would love for Manu to play well, it would certainly increase our odds, and I'm not one of the people who wants to see him fail at the expense of the team just to be right. I'd love to be proven wrong and would eat a plate full of crow if he does. Fact is, history and science in general is not on your side of this argument

I think you are taking our assumptions too far.

For example, name where I said "26 year old Manu will show up"
Look up where I said "Manu will magically go back to prime".

He WILL get better. That finals performance was not Manu's usual play, it was a couple of bad games. To think he will continue playing THAT bad is disrespectful.

But the season will show the results, and you will see.

[Leetonidas]

Well, you said "turn the corner" which kinda implies that he would play like he has in the past. If you mean he will play better this season than last, well, I certainly hope so because it's hard to imagine him figuring out how to play any worse.

[xmas1997]

What is irrational is to think Manu will be better this season than the last one.

I disagree with you too.
What is more rational is to think he will be better than the last playoffs, yet maybe not better than last season.
If that is what you meant then I can agree with you.
There can be no dispute IMHO that Manu has declined over the years as compared to what he was in his prime.
But to NOT allow for the POSSIBILITY that he could improve on his production from the playoffs is highly irrational especially if you consider his compe ive nature and his basketball IQ.

[Skull-1]

Yep. Your logic that has 25% of the forum thinking you're stupid as . Continue.

You f'ing dumbass. Your statistically insignificant and flawed poll is absolutely MEANINGLESS. Also, 25% of 21,998 users is 5,497. You have 13. You're 5484 votes short of 25% moron and your sample size is neither large enough nor random enough to mean jack sh*t.

[Leetonidas]

Like I said, considering that was literally his worst stretch of play in his entire career, saying he would improve at all may not be a massive stretch or even a noteworthy proclamation because he played so insanely bad it would be difficult for him to play worse.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You f'ing dumbass. Your statistically insignificant and flawed poll is absolutely MEANINGLESS. Also, 25% of 21,998 users is 5,497. You have 13. You're 5484 votes short of 25% moron and your sample size is neither large enough nor random enough to mean jack sh*t.

tl;dr

meltdown
a joke on these forums
6 les without manu