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If out rebounding David Robinson in game 1 of 2003 and consistently being one the top 5 scorers is a mess...then yes he was a mess.
Less than we have with him (0-2)
The same amount. (3)
More than we have with him now
Seriously? The quote above is so f*cking stupid
TP would be playing elsewhere. I actually think the main reason Spurs extended him was because Duncan and Manu were willing and able to play several more seasons. We could have moved him for a lottery pick a few years ago and gotten the rebuild under way. We wound up lucking out. He became a late bloomer and really has become a top 7 player in the league.
If out rebounding David Robinson in game 1 of 2003 and consistently being one the top 5 scorers is a mess...then yes he was a mess.
If you haven't been previously introduced to him "Skull-1" is on fast track to being STs worst poster. He is convinced that Manu is and has always been garbage that could be easily replaced. Even the slightest reference to Manu and he loses it. Ignore-list him and stay on ST. Not everyone here is like that clown.
1.) Absolutely.
2.) Unquestionably. 3.) Yes, it is.
He was outplayed by Stephen Jackson especially in game 6.. And 2003 was basically Tim Duncan being so out of this world great and everyone else followed..
He was told not to foul on anything going to the hoop.. What happened? That's why?
Yeah Jax was great, but who knows without Manu...???
He wouldn't have been able to bail out Duncan in 2005.
He was great in 2003... steal + hit a runner against KMart in NJ to seal the game (Game 5 IIRC)... He was also great against the Lakeshow that year (crossing Shaq heading to the basket).
That steal and dunk on RJ in Game 6 was also the momentum changer... some Spursfan just have little memory, tbh
People that have this mindset completely get on my nerves. Let me be first to state that I am not a "Manu ". I understand Ginobili ed up in the playoffs, but I also know that he has been detrimental to our success as an organization and I know that it would be impossible to replace his offensive threat through the years, even in 03' and 13'.
In 03, Ginobili averaged 10 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists a game, shooting 38% behind the ark. Putting that into perspective, that is better than Gary Neal shot from behind the arc this playoffs too. So you're telling me that that presence was not needed in the playoffs? Do keep in mind that championships are not solely won with star's. The role players are HUGE in winning a le, especially on the road.
Also, touching on your perspective of "Stacks played better" - Stacks also started all 24 games he played in for the Spurs during that run, and only averaged 2 more points, and less assists. So I'm inclined to say you don't know what you're talking about.
In 2005, it's laughable that anyone can say that it's even DEBATABLE that he could be replaced. Manu destroyed in the playoffs, and averaged 21 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists per game. He should have been the finals MVP. If anyone even attempts to debate this year, they are flat out stupid.
In 06', it's also kind of funny. We wouldn't have even had the opportunity to even go into overtime in game seven if it weren't for Manu's ferocious comeback in game seven. He dropped 21 points on 82% shooting in the second half. He made the dumb foul, but we had the chance in overtime and failed.
In 07' we easily beat the Cavs, but do you think we would have without the person running our bench? This was our easiest year, but there's no way Barry or Finley could have put up the numbers he did. 17 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists per game... that's a tough thing to replace, but you don't put that into account do you?
Alas 2013, the finals Manu "screwed up" so bad. Do you remember what happened before the playoffs? Ginobili was injured and our backcourt was horrid. Our bench lost us about 7 or 8 games out of 11 towards the end of the year. Is there a coincidence that we happened to play a ton better with Manu returned?
Manu averaged 5 assists a game during the playoffs this past year. He also averaged 12 points and 4 rebounds. There was absolutely noone (other than MAYBE T-Mac MAYBE) that could have taken his place. We wouldn't have gotten past the Lakers if he didn't play, we couldn't even beat the ing Suns when he wasn't playing at the end of the year. We wouldn't have gotten past GS. We sure as wouldn't have gotten past Memphis... and it's safe to say even if somehow our bench kept up against Miami, which it wouldn't have, we would have lost in six because those 24 points and 10 assists WERE that damn important.
You fans are so simple-minded. Our third option was THAT important. Who do you expect us to replace him with? Devin Brown? Hedo Turkoglu? Josh Howard? He took a MAJOR paycut through his prime years and played a role on the bench JUST because he loved this team. JUST because he knew as long as Tim Duncan would be around, they could do something special (stated this on an interview).
Even when he played bad in 13, we don't go nearly as far without him. To say so is ignorant. Joseph would not have been able to give positive results on the floor - that's why Pop didn't play him. T-Mac couldn't even hit a damn shot. Stop acting like we don't need a player that's going in the HOF and is widely regarded as a top 5 shooting guard of the past decade. It's ignorant and makes Spurs fan look stupid as .
You can say that again.
Oh that tired canard again. You really are moronic. Nine points for Miami when one point was the difference between a le and an overtime loss. Never mind all the points WE couldn't score because of those turnovers.
You are stupid.
Okay focus on one part that I mis-typed obviously, and ignore the rest. That's why nobody takes your opinion up here serious along with the rest of the people that on Ginobili. It's obvious you have not watched the Spurs in the past. Because there's no way that somebody that has would give a player that has given us so much would get treated so poorly unless you became a fan of any year prior to 2012.
Even when people on Duncan in 11' because of his bad performances in the year, it was wrong. They are legends. The least we can do is give them the benefit of the doubt.
But to say we would win just as many les, or even LOL more, is ing stupid. GTFO with that dumbass .
Whatever, . His at ude flat out sucks. He is not the warrior I remember him to be.
Guy has no fire. Is too old and unreliable to play his style. Refuses to adjust to what he can or cannot do anymore. Goes flat out braindead at the most critical moments. Then shrugs and says he did "so so".
YOU gtfo, blind homer.
Without Manu we still get 1999, 2003, 2007, probably 2006 and 2013. And perhaps even another in there by not relying on a fragile player we can't count on in the playoffs because he gets hurt all the time.
I commend you on your thorough and rational and unbiased post. You put a lot of thought and data into this.
Only a total re ed simple minded idiot could dispute this, but unfortunately they are out there composing their ignorant obsessive drivel even as I write this.
No doubt you will see them right after you post, but they cannot refute the absolute facts with their hate.
Thankfully as long as they continue to post their fic ious hateful BS, they will be countered by the real facts and data to make them look like the fools they are!
Like I said we had 5 minutes of OT at home to win a game 7. This, after trailing by as much as 25 points. He got us to that point we lost the game by being out played. Boiling it down to "he fouled Dirk" and we lost because of it is just not true.
at Skull-1
still quoting me even when I ignore listed you, clown.
still quoting me even when I ignore listed you, clown.
Still trying to convince the world you ignored me when you didn't, moron.
That you believe I care either way.
That you think I quote you for any reason other than to point out to the rest of the forum how stupid you are.
Last edited by Skull-1; 10-20-2013 at 10:27 AM.
What we need up here is the definitions of trolls that DMC found and posted downstairs.
Last edited by xmas1997; 10-22-2013 at 10:31 PM.
Probably 5 instead of 4.
If we didn't have Manu, we'd have a different roster and someone would be replacing him, depends on who's in his place.
03 we still win with Timmy carrying the whole team, 05 yeah Manu was great, 07 was mostly about Parker and Duncan, especially the Finals.
apart from 05, Manu really wasn't that big with the numbers in the playoffs, he averaged 9 ppg in 03...05 really is the only year I'd say we wouldn't win without him, but we'd win in 2013 with Manu injuring himself after Game 5 and not being able to play in Game 6.
Seriously, we'd at minimum win 3 les, 99 Manu wasn't on the team, 03 Manu was a role player with little impact, 05 Manu had his best run, 07 Manu was decent but Parker and Duncan were just that much better and we had an easy run that year.
Last edited by AchillesHeel; 10-22-2013 at 10:20 AM.
Interesting all these les we would have won without Manu! Do you realize how stupid that sounds? If my aunt had a she'd be my uncle!!
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