Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[xmas1997]

I guess this thread has been put to bed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I still want to point out that Skull-1 likes to claim he is a twice published sci-fi author who is friends with amongst others Stephen Hawking, various 20th century astronauts, and Saudi royalty.

For some reason he won't promote his books though. I wonder why that is.

[xmas1997]

I still want to point out that Skull-1 likes to claim he is a twice published sci-fi author who is friends with amongst others Stephen Hawking, various 20th century astronauts, and Saudi royalty.

For some reason he won't promote his books though. I wonder why that is.

That is a really good question.

[Skull-1]

words in Bold are not really needed when debating a subject online.

Not needed, but appropriate.


Then again, when Christ used words liked serpent, hypocrite, viper, satan, wretched, poor, blind, naked....and God used , monger.....Paul used liar, etc. they probably weren't necessary either.

Words are words.

[Skull-1]

That is a really good question.

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of ylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorky nuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

[xmas1997]

We all have our crosses to bear to a certain extent. And a certain amount of anonymity on a forum site is probably a very wise thing. We set ourselves up for ridicule otherwise.

[Skull-1]

We all have our crosses to bear to a certain extent. And a certain amount of anonymity on a forum site is probably a very wise thing. We set ourselves up for ridicule otherwise.

Ridicule I can handle. But retaliation is the bigger threat. And gawd forbid some mental case kicks my door in while I am away and murders my family or something. The world is dangerous. We are all better off keeping our private lives private. Speaking in general terms is already too much, really.

[xmas1997]

Why would anyone have a desire to retaliate? If one does nothing to engender a retaliatory response like say a police detective or judge, etc., then there should be no need to fear something like that.
Of course there are the crazies who go postal out there too, like the guy who murdered Lennon, but for the most part that is a worry for the rich and famous, otherwise it could be considered a bit of paranoia.

[Skull-1]

Why would anyone have a desire to retaliate? If one does nothing to engender a retaliatory response. Like say a police detective or judge, etc., then there should be no need to fear something like that.
Of course there are the crazies who go postal out there too, like the guy who murdered Lennon, but for the most part that is a worry for the rich and famous, otherwise it could be considered a bit of paranoia.

Retaliation doesn't need to be physical. With all the animosity on this forum I wouldn't be surprised if someone went after someone else just out of spite. Again, not physical. That said... My wife wonders everyday if someone will try to kill her for shooting the s bag who tried to rape her.

[xmas1997]

Your wife shot someone who tried to rape her?
Did he die?

There is a lot of animosity on this forum, surprising enough. I wonder why that is.
I think most of it is pretty harmless and juvenile though.

[Skull-1]

Your wife shot someone who tried to rape her?
Did he die?

There is a lot of animosity on this forum, surprising enough. I wonder why that is.
I think most of it is pretty harmless and juvenile though.

Not right away, but he collapsed in our driveway after she shot him and basically bled out before the cops even showed up to do their worthless job harassing the would be victim. This was in SA of all places. The cops there are nazis as far as I am concerned. Long time ago but seems like yesterday.

As for the juvenile and harmless part, let us hope so.

[xmas1997]

I am sorry to hear that, sincerely. She has my sympathy.
Odd about the S.A. Cops though. They are supposedly the highest trained, best salaried, and nicest in all of Texas, so that doesn't bode well for Texas law enforcement in general.

I think they are, except for the out and out kooks who express obsessive behavior like kobyz.
After all, they are mostly Spur fans. The Spurs have the classiest players in the league. And most of us like to think their fans are the classiest fans in the league.

[Skull-1]

I am sorry to hear that, sincerely. She has my sympathy.
Odd about the S.A. Cops though. They are supposedly the highest trained, best salaried, and nicest in all of Texas, so that doesn't bode well for Texas law enforcement in general.

I think they are, except for the out and out kooks who express obsessive behavior like kobyz.
After all, they are mostly Spur fans. The Spurs have the classiest players in the league. And most of us like to think their fans are the classiest fans in the league.

Oh gawd no, SA cops are d---s. Their police chief is a rabid anti-gun zealot. They will harass normal folks regarding firearms all day long even when the gun owner obeys state law. That's partly why so much affluence has fled north and out of SA.

I loved the rally this weekend at the Alamo. Hundreds of armed Texans peacefully assembled at the Shrine of Texas Liberty.

Thanks for the thought.

[xmas1997]

Oh gawd no, SA cops are d---s. Their police chief is a rabid anti-gun zealot. They will harass normal folks regarding firearms all day long even when the gun owner obeys state law. That's partly why so much affluence has fled north and out of SA.

I loved the rally this weekend at the Alamo. Hundreds of armed Texans peacefully assembled at the Shrine of Texas Liberty.

Thanks for the thought.

I know, the Second Amendment to the Cons ution, the right to bear arms, is in danger.
Oddly enough I have been seeing lots of people at major intersections all over the city carrying signs about the First Amendment. I wonder what that is all about! What is their beef?

[Skull-1]

I know, the Second Amendment to the Cons ution, the right to bear arms, is in danger.
Oddly enough I have been seeing lots of people at major intersections all over the city carrying signs about the First Amendment. I wonder what that is all about! What is their beef?

Dunno, but without the Second you can forget the First.

[xmas1997]

Dunno, but without the Second you can forget the First.

Touché'.

[Blake]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of ylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorky nuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

Lol still name dropping

[Blake]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of ylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorky nuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

Lol still name dropping

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of ylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorky nuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

his 'proof' is more name dropping. and if retaliation is your concern you wouldn't name drop in the first place.

and codified within 60 years? you just like making up and fronting as if it is true. We have already established that prior to the Byzantine scripts, the works were all over the place.

[xmas1997]

What does this mean, that "the scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ"?
And what are the few exceptions?
I sincerely want to know. And please no "riddle me this" answers.

[Skull-1]

What does this mean, that "the scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ"?
And what are the few exceptions?
I sincerely want to know. And please no "riddle me this" answers.

Hard to explain but off the top of my head.... I will go by a faded memory of twenty years ago and tidbits i vaguely recall since. You will get enough to research it with the following...

The early church fathers....the guys right after the Disciples and Paul....roughly late first century and early second....up to 200ish years before Constantine....quoted "The New Testament" extensively. So much so that you could compile the entire NT almost down to the word. (I heard it said maybe a dozen verses were not quoted or some such).

The Gospels and Epistles were considered authoritative in their own time period. There were a few that may have been debated. James, 2 Peter, and Hebrews weren't universally accepted until AFTER Constantine was long dead. Gnostic gospels were really never accepted.

Basically the scriptures were individual books that were collected. The OT was fairly intact, the Catholics including the Apocrypha which they keep to this day. The Gospels that were accepted are the four we have now. The Epistles with the above mentioned exceptions were also disseminated essentially as a group long before Constantine. Think of a brochure being handed out that said, "The Epistles" or something. LOL

So roughly 95 percent of the Bible was accepted as it is now by roughly 200 AD, it just wasn't in one bound volume. That happened long after Constantine. The Council of Nicea really didn't do much. , we can read the minutes of the meeting... They came up with some doctrine (much of it wrong, yet still permeating Christianity to this day) but to say they came up with the bible is ludicrous.

[Skull-1]

Oh, and I think there is a fragment from Mark dating to 40 AD or so. Mark permeates parts of Luke and I think Matthew, maybe... I forget. But any way.... Constantine obviously had a time machine.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

that is just bull . Most people were illiterate including clergy. They kept their works by making their kaballah ie a chant of the work. Now perhaps those were consistent as they were passed down from master to student but you have no way of knowing that. We have no idea at what point they began being written down, we have no idea who wrote it nor do we have any idea what they were for the original incarnation.

What we do know is that the works prior to Constantine's commissions are all over the place in terms of content and the rejection of many of the works were completely arbitrary. Eseentially what is being siad is that works from before the ones we know that are all over the place are MORE consistent? That is just bull . Obvious non sequitor.

[xmas1997]

Hard to explain but off the top of my head.... I will go by a faded memory of twenty years ago and tidbits i vaguely recall since. You will get enough to research it with the following...

The early church fathers....the guys right after the Disciples and Paul....roughly late first century and early second....up to 200ish years before Constantine....quoted "The New Testament" extensively. So much so that you could compile the entire NT almost down to the word. (I heard it said maybe a dozen verses were not quoted or some such).

The Gospels and Epistles were considered authoritative in their own time period. There were a few that may have been debated. James, 2 Peter, and Hebrews weren't universally accepted until AFTER Constantine was long dead. Gnostic gospels were really never accepted.

Basically the scriptures were individual books that were collected. The OT was fairly intact, the Catholics including the Apocrypha which they keep to this day. The Gospels that were accepted are the four we have now. The Epistles with the above mentioned exceptions were also disseminated essentially as a group long before Constantine. Think of a brochure being handed out that said, "The Epistles" or something. LOL

So roughly 95 percent of the Bible was accepted as it is now by roughly 200 AD, it just wasn't in one bound volume. That happened long after Constantine. The Council of Nicea really didn't do much. , we can read the minutes of the meeting... They came up with some doctrine (much of it wrong, yet still permeating Christianity to this day) but to say they came up with the bible is ludicrous.

Interesting. When you say those right after Paul, do you mean a long long time after, or those that actually knew him such as Clement of Alexandria who carried on where Paul left off?

I have only argued in the past that the books were put in bible format at the Council of Nicea, but were known of long before that and were principally oral.

And what about the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of John, Gospel of Mark, etc. discovered in The Dead Sea Scrolls?
Why, in your opinion, were these left out, but most probably still taught? Do you think they did not conform to Constantine's agenda at the time?

[Skull-1]

Interesting. When you say those right after Paul, do you mean a long long time after, or those that actually knew him such as Clement of Alexandria who carried on where Paul left off?

I have only argued in the past that the books were put in bible format at the Council of Nicea, but were known of long before that and were principally oral.

And what about the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of John, Gospel of Mark, etc. discovered in The Dead Sea Scrolls?
Why, in your opinion, were these left out, but most probably still taught? Do you think they did not conform to Constantine's agenda at the time?

The first gen after Paul. Like Martyr, Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp, etc. I am again going by memory. But they wrote quite a lot of stuff.

There were first century catechisms that quoted the NT books....

I don't really remember enough to answer on Thomas, Mary, etc. I just know I researched enough to be satisfied that my position is not wrong--and changed my mind on things in the process...


The bible wasn't set at Nicea. The canon was finalized well after that but accepted generally long before.

These are general answers. You can research it more on your own, though and figure it out. I am a scripture expert. I don't focus on man made histories any more.