Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[xmas1997]

The first gen after Paul. Like Martyr, Ignatius, Clement, Polycarp, etc. I am again going by memory. But they wrote quite a lot of stuff.

There were first century catechisms that quoted the NT books....

I don't really remember enough to answer on Thomas, Mary, etc. I just know I researched enough to be satisfied that my position is not wrong--and changed my mind on things in the process...

I had a feeling Clement was involved, as was Origen, Valentinus, and Marcion.

Should you ever get the chance you should check out those other Gospels, they are eye openers and it is no wonder that Constantine did not want them included. Had they been the Roman Christians would have never fought for him.

[Skull-1]

I had a feeling Clement was involved, as was Origen, Valentinus, and Marcion.

Should you ever get the chance you should check out those other Gospels, they are eye openers and it is no wonder that Constantine did not want them included. Had they been the Roman Christians would have never fought for him.

I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh my memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Do a timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

[xmas1997]

I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh y memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Dona timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

Those guys I mentioned, Origen, etc. were pre Constantine and post Paul, along with Clement who is one of the easiest to remember.

You mention brain dumping because scripture doesn't require extra source material to be true. This is what I, and yes, SBM too, have been saying about ridding the mind of a lot of the superfluous and dogmatic knowledge that we have absorbed all our lives which hide or impede truth from being recognized.
By the subtraction, rather than the addition, of more and more trivialities do the veils begin to fall away. Keep in mind I am being simplistic here, but it isn't easy to condense years into a simple definition, and especially in a forum.

[silverblk mystix]

Those guys I mentioned, Origen, etc. were pre Constantine and post Paul, along with Clement who is one of the easiest to remember.

You mention brain dumping because scripture doesn't require extra source material to be true. This is what I, and yes, SBM too, have been saying about ridding the mind of a lot of the superfluous and dogmatic knowledge that we have absorbed all our lives which hide or impede truth from being recognized.
By the subtraction, rather than the addition, of more and more trivialities do the veils begin to fall away. Keep in mind I am being simplistic here, but it isn't easy to condense years into a simple definition, and especially in a forum.

Good point about condensing years of experience, knowledge & insights coupled with learning, unlearning, suffering, joy, loss, gain, tragedy, triumph and every learning experience and then trying to put it into words - or into a formula/concept to people who want the cliffs' notes and do not want to actually spend more than two seconds on anything.

Add to this the fact that most people do not want new information or truth - but merely to confirm their own conclusions - and you get what we have here.

Hard earned truths being shared and the response to this is;

"you are a dumb piece of , minimum wage earning, blah-blah "




People hate truth.

[DMC]

Good point about condensing years of experience, knowledge & insights coupled with learning, unlearning, suffering, joy, loss, gain, tragedy, triumph and every learning experience and then trying to put it into words - or into a formula/concept to people who want the cliffs' notes and do not want to actually spend more than two seconds on anything.

Add to this the fact that most people do not want new information or truth - but merely to confirm their own conclusions - and you get what we have here.

Hard earned truths being shared and the response to this is;

"you are a dumb piece of , minimum wage earning, blah-blah "




People hate truth.

Yes, it's all them Norman. They are evil people, a monolithic en y of hate that is well beneath you.

[Clipper Nation]

Not a good question at all. A certain level of anonymity is appreciated by most people. The less is known about someone the harder it is to cause them harm. My book....one....not two....sold quite well. I don't need to promote it. I am not into that.

It shows the extremely limited mind of ylimpdork that he thinks my claims are extraordinary. They're actually rather tame. I flew Elton John only a few weeks ago. Then Kenny Loggins and Jessie Jerkson. So what?

Lost an astronaut friend last week or the week before, with whom I spent an evening at his house in Colorado with my wife and kids.

Flew with Frank Borman in a warbird in NM not too long ago.


Blah blah blah.

dimpleforeskins is just a feeble minded man who doesn't even understand who Constantine was, what the scriptures are, or where they came from. Every assertion of his has been debunked and nullified repeatedly. Constantine is a black helicopter Da Vinci Code conspiracy that has no basis in reality. The scriptures were effectively codified within sixty years of the death of Christ, with a few exceptions. The canon, which was finalized decades after Constantine died, merely put the books that were widely accepted into one volume. And even within Christianity the canon is not universally accepted. The rest is grasping.

I don't read dorky nuts' posts except in quotes. He has nothing worthy to say. When he has an original thought, please let me know. Hopefully it is in a new thread.

So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorky nuts"

[silverblk mystix]

So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorky nuts"

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a ty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So-called "best-selling author" whose idea of a "diss" is nicknames like "dimpleforeskins" and "dorky nuts"

so now he is a best selling author?

If I were published I would be on here promoting my book; I would not be telling people that I wrote something anonymous in an attempt to impress people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I read them in college. I may go revisit them and refresh y memory.

Origen, et. al. involved in what? Nicea?

Dona timeline search for early church fathers and it will clear it up some. I used to know who came from where, who mentioned who, etc. but I brain dumped it because scripture doesn't require extra biblical source material to be true, in my opinion.


Constantine didn't have anything to do with the canon. Much of that stuff had been rejected before Nicea any way as I recall.

This is like saying that the Koch Bros don't have anything to do with government. It's asinine. He commissioned the first bibles soon after founding consantinople with the express purpose of generating dogma. He paid the church leaders in Asia Minor to do so.

And what agency rejected anything before the centralization? The various bishops were independent so while one may have that was not necessarily taken up by another. This is what I get at when I say you have no concept of historical context.

Trent closed canon as to what it is now but what was canon was begun by Constantines commission a few years after that first Nicaea council. They added to it over time sure but it still is what it is. Prior to Nice there was no orthodoxy and that is the point that completely escapes you.

[Blake]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a ty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

[Clipper Nation]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a ty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

They weren't creative or funny at all, tbh, grade-school quality.... btw, you never answered my question about exactly how many people you've snitched on to Kori and timvp, snitch...

[ChumpDumper]

lol snitch

[Skull-1]

Those were actually very creative and funny but because you are a ty snitch sypathizer and cyber troll nutrider - you don't find them funny.

Thanks.


Also, can you tell me Sbm where I said I was a best selling author? I can't find that assertion anywhere... I said I was published....once....and it sold quite well. Maybe you can enlighten the troll....

[DMC]

Some here seem to think the laity were reading bibles back in those days. They didn't read, they weren't allowed to read the bible. Only the clergy could do that. Kings could, but they were gods themselves so why would they need to?

[silverblk mystix]

Thanks.


Also, can you tell me Sbm where I said I was a best selling author? I can't find that assertion anywhere... I said I was published....once....and it sold quite well. Maybe you can enlighten the troll....

Don't listen to these idiots - I mentioned once that we wear many hats during our life - and Corrections - was a hat I wore once -

Of course - non-creative people think the target is stationary - so they cannot imagine where someone who wore a hat 25-30 years ago would be today. It is good though to see their flailing and fishing attempts.

[Skull-1]

Some here seem to think the laity were reading bibles back in those days. They didn't read, they weren't allowed to read the bible. Only the clergy could do that. Kings could, but they were gods themselves so why would they need to?

And the catholic church kept it locked up for centuries to boot. But there was access to it. People risked their lives to read what they had, those who could.

[Spursfan092120]

Blake asks a simple ing question (and if you can see by the le, he asked for an expert...so someone who actually gives a about the topic) and it goes 32 ing pages because people can't just keep their damn mouths shut if they don't believe. I swear...some Atheists get so pissed off at Christians because we try to talk about Christianity yet they can't shut the up about Atheism...hypocrites.

[Blake]

Don't listen to these idiots - I mentioned once that we wear many hats during our life - and Corrections - was a hat I wore once -

Is hat just a correctional facility word for ass glove

[Skull-1]

Blake asks a simple ing question (and if you can see by the le, he asked for an expert...so someone who actually gives a about the topic) and it goes 32 ing pages because people can't just keep their damn mouths shut if they don't believe. I swear...some Atheists get so pissed off at Christians because we try to talk about Christianity yet they can't shut the up about Atheism...hypocrites.

Well, I answered him pretty clearly. His false assertion that the color "discrepancy"--which isn't--makes scripture imperfect--which it doesn't--is why we are here still going around and around.


The scriptures are spiritual. No carnal man has a prayer (pun) of understanding them on even a basic level.... Flake and potatoforeskins are perfect examples of that truth.

[Blake]

Well, I answered him pretty clearly. His false assertion that the color "discrepancy"--which isn't--makes scripture imperfect--which it doesn't--is why we are here still going around and around.

Crimson equals purple in crazy Christian cherry picking world.

And Tim Duncan is a sinner for getting a divorce in skull world.

[xmas1997]

Is hat just a correctional facility word for ass glove

Are you guys going to just continue to put each other down?

[silverblk mystix]

Are you guys going to just continue to put each other down?

No, only for the next few years...

[xmas1997]

No, only for the next few years...