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    ceiling marc gasol is ridiculous, but it may prove to be a solid pivo in nba
    why? what part of Gasol's game is unattainable?

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    why? what part of Gasol's game is unattainable?
    well, for starters gasol is 7-1 and there are only two years of difference...

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    well, for starters gasol is 7-1 and there are only two years of difference...
    So he has an inch on him. Baynes is a better leaper. The experience gap is obvious thus my use of the notion potential. Baynes game has improved markedly from last season. Would you disagree?

    I am talking skill wise. I readily admit that Gasol has a bit better range on his jumper and is much more developed as a defensive player.

    You think he cannot match his strength? quickness? You think he lacks the awareness? footspeed? coordination?

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    Homie Baynes is who he is. The dude is 26 and in his prime. He won't get much better from here.
    Disagree, Aron was late to basketball, he has the size that with a growing knowledge of the game will show steady improvement over time.

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    Should take T-Vag' spot in the starting lineup tbh but won't because the alcoholics of the FO overpaid to keep him this summer and they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they did, tragic stuff. Btw it was obvious that Baynes could help last year, typical Pop...

    And this preseason confirms what a putrid off-season that was.

    LOL at Beli and Ayres...

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    Should take T-Vag' spot in the starting lineup tbh but won't because the alcoholics of the FO overpaid to keep him this summer and they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they did, tragic stuff. Btw it was obvious that Baynes could help last year, typical Pop...

    And this preseason confirms what a putrid off-season that was.

    LOL at Beli and Ayres...
    Belinelli has come along as the preseason progressed. I imagine he will continue to get better as he familiarizes himself with the teams and its system.

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    So he has an inch on him. Baynes is a better leaper. The experience gap is obvious thus my use of the notion potential. Baynes game has improved markedly from last season. Would you disagree?

    I am talking skill wise. I readily admit that Gasol has a bit better range on his jumper and is much more developed as a defensive player.

    You think he cannot match his strength? quickness? You think he lacks the awareness? footspeed? coordination?
    actually he has 3 inches on baynes.. baynes having more leaping ability than gasol is completely your arbitrary decision, i don't know how can you support this thesis tbh. I do agree that Baynes could still develop a lot due to being a very late bloomer, but if you say Baynes could become a Gasol, than you can say that for every big in the league.

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    You have provided an articulate, thorough, reasonable case for Baynes getting 20 minutes a game behind Splitter.

    Too bad he'll be inactive.


    And popsuckers will continue to suck and rationalize his lack of playing time. They'll continue to cheer on the neverending backup point cluster too. Some things never change.

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    actually he has 3 inches on baynes.. baynes having more leaping ability than gasol is completely your arbitrary decision, i don't know how can you support this thesis tbh. I do agree that Baynes could still develop a lot due to being a very late bloomer, but if you say Baynes could become a Gasol, than you can say that for every big in the league.
    I will give you the height. I am curious what how Gasol's wingspan compares with Baynes 7'2.5". I determine the jumping ability by watching Baynes leap to challenge shots at the rim. Gasol doesn't do that.

    You still seem disinclined to talk about skillsets. When every big in the league can shoot an overhand hook with both hands, hit 15 foot jumpers, , block shots above the rim, defend Howard in the post or cut off Harden from the lane then I would agree with you. Gasol is a better rebounder and a much better passer but Baynes is coming ionto his won right now.

    Most big men are 'latebloomers.' Guys that come in at 20 and dominate are typically one of two categories. 1) HoF types like Tim Duncan or 2) Athletic freaks like Dwight Howard. Most of the rest start to come into their own around Baynes age.

    I also think that Gasol is overrated mostly because the talent for bigs in the NBA. Gasol has average 13 and 8 over his career.

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    Belinelli has come along as the preseason progressed. I imagine he will continue to get better as he familiarizes himself with the teams and its system.
    Until Poop decides to get cute and convert him into a point guard because having 4 backups isn't enough.

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    Until Poop decides to get cute and convert him into a point guard because having 4 backups isn't enough.
    He stopped Neal at point when DeColo was brought in and CoJo got some experience. TJ Ford got hurt.

    The complaints about Splitter should have stopped last season when he started him and Bonner was relegated to the end of the bench. Blair sucks and never deserved to start.

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    I think I've missed nearly all his dunks. I wasn't able to watch today's game, did he dunk in today's game? From the games I've watched, he seems to get blocked near the rim quite a bit, and just because you can dunk it, doesn't mean you have a great vertical.

    I've seen Bonner do a pretty decent two handed dunk in a game, but that doesn't mean . Doesn't mean he is an explosive leaper. If you are undersized and aren't an decent/explosive leaper, then that doesn't really help you in the NBA game, it can really work against you, just ask Blair.
    He had at least two or three dunks last night, one of which was an alley-oop from CoJo.

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    I will give you the height. I am curious what how Gasol's wingspan compares with Baynes 7'2.5". I determine the jumping ability by watching Baynes leap to challenge shots at the rim. Gasol doesn't do that.

    You still seem disinclined to talk about skillsets. When every big in the league can shoot an overhand hook with both hands, hit 15 foot jumpers, , block shots above the rim, defend Howard in the post or cut off Harden from the lane then I would agree with you. Gasol is a better rebounder and a much better passer but Baynes is coming ionto his won right now.

    Most big men are 'latebloomers.' Guys that come in at 20 and dominate are typically one of two categories. 1) HoF types like Tim Duncan or 2) Athletic freaks like Dwight Howard. Most of the rest start to come into their own around Baynes age.

    I also think that Gasol is overrated mostly because the talent for bigs in the NBA. Gasol has average 13 and 8 over his career.
    meh, baynes gets blocked so many times i would hardly believe he has any special leaping ability. Gasol had 17+8.5+2.2 in the last play offs, nuff said. About Baynes's skillset, i can hardly see any go-to move. Yes he has a relatively soft hand and yes he has no glaring weak spot, but he's not even close to gasol or others by any means. It's easy to put numbers in preseason, but he has shown almos nothing last year to warrant what you say.

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    meh, baynes gets blocked so many times i would hardly believe he has any special leaping ability. Gasol had 17+8.5+2.2 in the last play offs, nuff said. About Baynes's skillset, i can hardly see any go-to move. Yes he has a relatively soft hand and yes he has no glaring weak spot, but he's not even close to gasol or others by any means. It's easy to put numbers in preseason, but he has shown almos nothing last year to warrant what you say.
    He was blocked once last night and when you have guys waiting for you under the rim and you do not use a power dribble that will happen. This is what I am getting at when I say experience and polish. Have you or have you not seen him block shots above the rim? I never said he was Javele McGee. I said he was a better leaper than Gasol

    And of course Gasol is a lot better than him. What I am saying is that there skillsets are not so far off. When you look and see what Gasol actually does, its not as if it is unattainable. He needs a of a lot more consistency and polish to get there. And Gasol's 'go to' move is a jumpshot from 18 feet. Not exactly world breaking.

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    Pop was obviously impressed by that Baynes put-back dunk.

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    Pop was obviously impressed by that Baynes put-back dunk.
    Whats funny is that they showed Pop right after that putback and a little smile appeared on his face and promptly went away. Like he liked the action but didn't want to get too excited about it.

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    Tough customer.

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    Man his eyes are so close together.

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    Eh...I look better as Bane than he does.

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    did pop smile...I didn't see it. Has splitter ever done a putback like that in traffic - I haven't seen enough to know.

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    This is a big dude that can play. I'm sure he will find himself on the floor for regular rotation minutes sooner rather than later

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