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why is Matt Flynn on your list? he has 3 career starts
now that the league has made the shift to a more mobile, dynamic quaterback; i got to wondering, what about the traditional pocket passers? who will represent for the old standard after peyton and tom brady hang up the cleats?
off the top of my head:
1.sam bradford
2. andy dalton
3. matt flynn
4. stafford
5.?
why is Matt Flynn on your list? he has 3 career starts
sadly, the number of effective, young pocket passers has declined, which is why a majority of teams in the NFL need improvements at the position...
teams in search of a long term qb:
Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Browns, ans, Jaguars, Texans, Raiders, Eagles, Vikings, Bears (cutler expected to walk), Bucs, Rams (they say bradford is their guy next year, but who knows), Cardinals
thats about 50% of then NFL that is either undecided on or is lacking a franchise QB. the lack of good pocket passers coming out of college is a bad thing for the NFL
matt flynn has a few starts but he was awarded a large contract after just a few of those starts. i'm willing to remove him from the list but that would only leave us with 3. i don't even know if stafford is still under 25?
as far as a lack of pocket passing qb's being a bad thing, i disagree obviously. i'd take russell wilson, cam newton and RG3 over sam bradford or dalton any day of the week. this new crop of pocket passing qb has been terrible to say the least lol. none of the new pocket passing qb's have been able to last mainly because they're not intelligent enough to read defenses to make quick decisions with the ball, no mobility to avoid rushes and they just flat out suck.
why would you count only under 25 old players, brady became a starter when he was like 23-24.. there's plenty of pocket passers in the league, matt ryan, joe flacco and matt stafford are all elite qbs (or borderline elite) that (unlike the running qbs) can play until they are like 40..
stop it. flacco, ryan and stafford are not elite. and i bet none of them will be playing at 40
one just won a sb while the other two are obviously elite and there is really no debate. by elite i mean top 8
uhhh i don't even know how to reply to this bull , but aight lol.
Sam Bradford and RG3 will ultimately end up being garbage because the Big 12 can't produce QB's. Luckily Dalton went to TCU before they joined that NFL QB blackhole of a conference. Wilson is one of the finest game managers we've seen in years, so I hope his running game and defense stay around him. has gotten much better now that Rivera/Shula don't trust him to throw the deep ball nore than a couple times per game. He too has become a game manager thanks to the 2nd best defense in football. His one game over 250 passing yards illustrates the change in philosophy.
As for the "traditional" pocket passing QB, it's kind of cheap to crowbar in that caveat to make a point, tbh. Steve Young and John Elway didn't fit the "traditional" mold either, but we know how they did. Luck and Rodgers are clearly the future of the NFL (with Luck admittedly a lot younger), and although they aren't your quintessential pocket QBs, they don't call their own # very often--you can probably count the amount of designed QB runs on 2 hands throughout the year.
This is why Harbaugh is such a good coach--he won't call designed run plays for Kaepernick because he knows the endgame.
Also, you forgot 2 time SB champion Eli Manning at pocket passer. can't scramble for . Ben is also largely a pocket passer who never does designed runs, just has escapability. Flacco and Ryan are worlds better than any of the 4 you put up there, too.
-Traditional pocket passers won the last 2 SBs and SBMVPs (so common sense tells us it still matters)
-The only black QB to ever win the SB was a traditional pocket passer
i agree russy is a great game manager and i think some of these pocket passing qb's need to take a long look in the mirror and humble themselves and realize this isn't college and you can't just stand tall in the pocket for more than 3 seconds patting the ball. nothing wrong at all with being a game manager. if eli won 2 rings being a game manager, why cant russy?
i also agree that luck and rodgers are in the mobile category. so when you look at young mobile qb's vs young pocket passing qb's, the drop off in talent is very large. the pocket passing qb is being phased out unless they can make the transition to game managing.
flacco is a bonifide game manager.
With the greatest statistical playoff run in NFL history
Eli wasn't game-managing on those 2 SB-winning drives either. The Manningham pass alone is one of the gutsiest, most perfectly thrown passes in SB history
Andrew Luck obviously needs to be on there.
Breaking your best WR's knees will drop you in rankings tbh.
On the real though, sure Trill didn't add him because he's more of a mobile style quarterback as opposed to Tom Brady.
neither of those guys can maintain that elite play for a full season, year in and year out. both of them have been exposed this year without a top defense and run game to fall back on.
that manning pass required no skill, he closed his eyes, chucked the ball in the air and said a little prayer.
All these mobile quarterback conversations crack me up. Everyone talks about how important it is in today's NFL.
Currently, as we speak, the greatest single (regular) season ever by a quarterback is happening.....and he can't run for .
Oh, and it's happening with little to no running game to speak of.
I believe Drew Brees should be #1 on that list.
You're thinking of the Tyree pass in 2007, not the one where he stared down a pass rush and dropped it perfectly in Mannigham's hands, beating the safety by a half-second in 2011.
I agree that guys like Flacco, Eli, and even Ben aren't stat s--but they are 3 of the best and most clutch playoff QB's you will see in your lifetime.
You know who puts up elite #'s year in and year out? Tony Romo
and one of, if not THE worst secondaries in football. There's no Marshawn Lynch to hand off to, and there's no Sherman, Browner, and Earl Thomas to shut down the opponent's passing game if you're having an off day.
okay and who is going to carry the pocket passing torch when peyton is done? what young qb's who can't run for and has little to no run game(even though knowshon is playing pretty good) has the potential to even come close to peyton?
I don't think it's the secondary really. I think it's the lack of pass rush (of which there is none), and then the playcalling on defense. We run the worst zones at the worst times over and over again.
The Broncos linebackers are pretty good though.
should teams draft bad rbs just to prove a point?
yea i was thinking of the tyree pass. i wont take anyting away from him, flacco or ben's playoff numbers. those guys were blessed to have great coaches, great defenses and a solid run game to rely on. when it comes to managing a game in the playoff's those guys are second to none.
i think the last qb to win the game all on his lonesome was drew brees. no running game, below avg defense and he was dominant the entire game.
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