Ok, fine, alrighty then!
The early Christians were following ORAL traditions. It wasn't until much later those oral traditions were written down.
There were lots of contradictions from Apostle to Apostle and from their followers. The Essenes were some of the earliest to put these teachings in written form. Some of these were found, The Dead Sea Scrolls, at Wadi Qumran.
Semantic nonsense. The two are not mutually exclusive. Scripture is the epitome of dogma.
Could you do us a favor and provide us a list of which OT laws we still have to follow and which ones we can ignore? You have told us that you are one of the few special people that can figure it out so you could save us a lot of time and pick and choose for us.
I really like Pope Francis and his openness about his beliefs and the future of the Catholic Church.
Me too, Joe. He is really walking the talk. It is a refreshing change to see the leader of Catholicism doing that. I just hope he isn't assassinated.
Christianity or the Law of Christ? There is a difference. And the first Christians, like Peter, James, and John, for example, were wallowing in the false gospel for quite awhile before they got straightened out and wrote their epistles which further defined the faith....
It was a work in progress the whole way. Their Judaism was a hindrance.
This is generally accepted to be true by most theologians. And it is further verified by the non-canonized Gospels of Peter, Thomas, Judas, and Mary Magdalene which were found along with the canonized gospels that are in the bible, all of them in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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So they made it up as they went along. That is hardly a revelation.
Still a religion. Scriptures written by religious men about the religion are religious scriptures. You trying to say the Bible isn't a religious text is hilarious, but it's also an indictment of theism in general. You guys individually accept it, but you distance yourselves from others who accept it as well.
That's what I gather from it. While Jesus was with them personally, they were wallowing in false gospel, but after he was hung out to dry, so to speak, they got it right because a group of people put all the books together that didn't absurdly disagree with one another and called it the word of God, and then they killed everyone who didn't toe the line.
While I wouldn't go as far as you are in your assessment, in a simplistic sort of way, you are correct. But we all know that it was a lot more complicated and involved than that. So even though your assessment may be correct simplistically, it fails in the broader sense.
I use the analogy of the whisper passed to each around a circle. By the time the original whisper gets back around to you, it has changed significantly. We have all played this simple child's game when we were kids.
These were ORAL traditions being taught, and by imperfect men no less. They were bound to make mistakes because those men had free wills to shape their messages and teachings to satisfy their own biases and agendas, and limited by their own understanding, just as you and I do each and every day.
By the time they were finally written down, IMHO most of the original teachings had changed significantly.
In order to give it even a semblance of validity, they wrapped it all up neatly in a little box called the bible and proclaimed it the undisputed inviolable Inspired Word of God.
But we are finding more and more evidence that it is NOT the Word of God, but rather the Word of men that it is the Word of God, i.e. the discovery of The Dead Sea Scrolls by the Essenes at Wadi Qumran.
If people are so willing to take the bible founders word for it and be sheep, then that is their prerogative since they have free wills, but IMHO the critical thinker, the scientist, the observer of reality, the one not willing to blindly jump off the cliff just because it is the fashionable thing to do, the one really seeking the Truth, will use every tool available to get to it, including the ability to be patient and wait for further evidence, and be unbiased so that he can see and examine ALL points of views.
If you acknowledge that it's not the word of god, why would you believe any of it.
What do you mean "all"?
Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
To seek truth is to be open to all possibilities - just like he said.
(let us see who throws the first insult - just for s and giggles)
Are you unaware of what "all" means?
you're too unintelligent to understand why your question fails.
Now let's watch as you play hypocrite and insult me back.
^didn't take long - even after being challenged ^
Wasn't asking you, got.
^ reduced to an angry name caller yet again ^ lol he considers himself educated^
The insults don't bother me, dumbass. They only bother you.
That's what makes you an unintelligent, hypocritical dumb .
^ still nothing but an angry name caller ^
I had to finally realize that DMC and fuzzy both considered me a troll, probably similar to what kobyz does.
It certainly does not come as a shock.
It does however make me wonder that if I am able to realize that I am capable of making a fool of myself in this manner, then why don't they have the same ability to realize how capable they are in making fools out of themselves too?
Are they living in make believe land?
I grant you that this virtual medium can be pretty far fetched and waaaaaay out there, but does this give them the false sense of security that allows them to justify their denial of reality? Maybe in a temporary sense it does. But it still looks pretty foolish in the long run, that part never changes.
So you have to wonder, do they enjoy looking foolish?
That is perplexing to me, because I hate looking that way, and most especially when it is of my own making.
No one can make a bigger fool of themselves better than he can to himself.
That should be a universal truth.
So now let's see how long it takes for the next fool to say I am a troll. It probably won't be long.
You're much more than an angry name caller.
^some say that if you allow your beloved to other men ^ you will always be angry ^ proof right here^
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