NBA: Which team is more overhyped, tbh?..

[RsxPiimp]

Bulls should be a legitimate threat to win the East, or even the championship. They are not the favourites, but they are certainly a contender. The Bulls last year, with no real scoring threat, finished relatively well. With the addition of Rose, the Bulls are looking at a much improved offense and the same defense, this cannot be a bad fundamental defense.

Pacers are a lot LOT more threatening to Miami than Chicago honestly.

[timtonymanu]

The Bulls for sure. They have one of the top coaches in the league but their roster is nothing special. Its Rose and a bunch of role players. The Heat would beat them in 5. Heat/Pacers/Nets >>> Bulls.

The Clippers may be overhyped but I think they upgraded their team and they can make the Finals. But I have them behind the Spurs and Rockets.

[hater]

dont' think clips are overrated. Not even their coach believes in them

the Bulls are easily 2nd best team in the East from day 1.

Spurs easily most overrated team right now.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I expect both teams to be the best regular season teams in their respective conferences, tbh, but neither is a legit contender, unless Blake Griffin becomes an elite big IMO..

Derrick Rose could score despite very good man to man defense and scheming designed to limit him. It's why he was an MVP candidate. They were pretty good in the East without him and if he returns to form, they are certainly a contender. Is it a sure thing? No, but just dismissing it out of hand is baseless.

[Ace]

i think the hype for both teams are justified. For the Bulls, with a <100% Wade playing for the Heat, I think they would have taken the Heat out last year (if Rose were healthy and playing). You can't tell me Ray Allen and Battier get the same open looks they were accustomed to getting v. a Thibbs' coached defense. Rose likely would have gotten them over the hump, and there is no repeat.

For the Clipps, they've improved internally, their bench is deep, and they added Doc. Just last year, they were 4th in points allowed, 4th in rebounding, 3rd in point differential, 7th in swats, and 10th in allowed FG%. Those are just defensive stats. LINK

Both teams you are clowning have justified hype. Both have added pieces and improved internally to the extent that they are imminent threats to your Heat. The Nets and Indiana (who added Scola) are too.

Your takes haven't improved one bit

[hater]

you give a feisty bulls team the best PG in the game and you have easily the 2nd best team in the league

not sure what is overrated about that tbh

[Clipper Nation]

you give a feisty bulls team the best PG in the game and you have easily the 2nd best team in the league

not sure what is overrated about that tbh

The Heat have beaten the Bulls both with and without Rose in the past couple years and I've seen nothing to suggest that it'd be any different this year, tbh....

[DPG21920]

It depends on what you mean. IMO they can be overrated, but still be legit and very good teams. Dudley was a good pick up for LAC as well to offset any dip from Barnes that might occur. Their bench was already pretty good with Bledsoe/Jamal last year, but this should be an overall better unit. The key to me is not so much Blake, but Jordan. If he can really make a next step defensively and grow mentally, that would go a long way.

The Bulls should be damn good. Yes, they lack some shooting overall, but Taj Gibson is a stud back up big man. Rose looks healthy and they should be a top defensive team yet again assuming health. I think the Bulls and Clips could both win their respective conferences for sure. They won't dominate and are not the favorites, but they are legit threats to at least make the conference finals. MIA should definitely still be considered the favorites in the East though. They've beat down the Bulls too many times. West is more open.

[baseline bum]

I don't get the Chicago for the le hype. They're supposed to be better than the 2011 team after losing Asik and with Rose still an unknown? And Miami is way better now than the 2011 team that took Chicago in 5 without homecourt. I could see Chicago winning the Finals if they could get there, but to get there they'll need a serious injury to LeBron.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bulls, IMO. Sure, the defense is going to be there with Thibs, but who's gonna score outside of Rose?

They were getting major contributions from Nate and Belli last season, and now they're gone.

Boozer, Hamilton, and Deng can all score. Backups and role players that help score points include Dunleavey and Heinrich.

You replace Robinson with Rose and Belinelli with Dunleavey. Full season with Butler in the rotation. They still have the horses to be an excellent defensive team.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't get the Chicago for the le hype. They're supposed to be better than the 2011 team after losing Asik and with Rose still an unknown? And Miami is way better now than the 2011 team that took Chicago in 5 without homecourt. I could see Chicago winning the Finals if they could get there, but to get there they'll need a serious injury to LeBron.

By this logic only the Heat are contenders.

[hater]

The Heat have beaten the Bulls both with and without Rose in the past couple years and I've seen nothing to suggest that it'd be any different this year, tbh....

never denied that.

The Bulls have consistently beaten the Spurs(the supposed 2nd best team in the NBA) with or without Rose. I've seen nothing to suggest that it'd be any different this year

[Brazil]

Clips for me even for RS, vast majority here is putting them on top of the west I don't see it tbh.

now I believe okc is overlooked IMHO. If west brick is back 100% I think they can take the west in RS, playoffs without harden is another animal for them

[HarlemHeat37]

Derrick Rose could score despite very good man to man defense and scheming designed to limit him. It's why he was an MVP candidate. They were pretty good in the East without him and if he returns to form, they are certainly a contender. Is it a sure thing? No, but just dismissing it out of hand is baseless.

PG-led teams without a legitimate secondary option generally aren't real contenders, tbh..

I heard this in 2011 from most people..if you search through ST in 2011, the majority of posters here predicted Chicago would beat Miami, most even predicted it would be easy, while a minority group of us repeated how easily Miami would dismantle them, which was ultimately proven in the ECFs..

That Bulls team had a healthy Rose, a healthy Noah and a prime Luol Deng, compared to this year's team with Rose coming off a major injury, Noah with bad feet, and Deng on the decline..the 2011 Heat were starting Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony, along with minimal chemistry, yet they barely had any problems with the Bulls..

Indiana and Brooklyn will pose a larger threat to the Heat, tbh..

[baseline bum]

By this logic only the Heat are contenders.

Where do you get that from? The Bulls are still as terrible a matchup for the Heat as they were in 2011. They haven't added anyone who can score inside to punish Miami the way Indiana and the Spurs did last season. I suppose Indiana might have a chance against Miami this season if Wade is really banged up again, and that could give Chicago a route to the Finals. Otherwise, I'm not seeing it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Boozer, Hamilton, and Deng can all score. Backups and role players that help score points include Dunleavey and Heinrich.

You replace Robinson with Rose and Belinelli with Dunleavey. Full season with Butler in the rotation. They still have the horses to be an excellent defensive team.

Boozer is one of the least reliable players in NBA history, Hamilton sucks and I'm not even sure if he's on their roster, and Kirk Hinrich had a sub-50% TS despite being a spot-up shooter..come on, bro..

[Leetonidas]

Bulls or Clippers, tbh?..

I expect both teams to receive a ton of hype going into the playoffs by the vanilla media and fans, tbh..

I'm seeing people all over the Internet picking the Bulls to be the 1 or 2 overall team in the league, despite having virtually the same flaws as the 2011 team..

Clippers are generating hype, even more than early last year, due to the acquisition of Doc Rivers..

qft tbh

The Clippers will never be a real contender with the players around Paul currently. Doc Rivers is the most overrated coach in all of basketball because he lucked out and won a ring when Ainge gave him a superteam and Thibs designed a great defensive system that Doc coat tailed on. Blake Griffin is basically a less talented half-white Amare Stoudemire. And imo CP3 is a fake superstar, he routinely get shat on in the playoffs and Parker usually pushes his in head to head. I think they are a very good team but not a great team and to win a le against Miami you need to be a great team. No offense to that Clipper Nation but imo the Clippers' ceiling is WCF.

As for the Bulls, I don't see why everyone is on their balls either. They weren't that great outside of Rose and their team is similar to 2011 and I really don't believe that Derrick Rose is going to come back even better from a knee injury he had to rehab forever for. And besides that I think Rose is pretty overrated to begin with and imo he only got an MVP in 2011 because the media writers didn't want to give it to James in his first season in Miami even though it was clearly how dominant he was.

I think Clippers are on par with Houston and Chicago is a tier below Miami/Brooklyn/Indiana

[LkrFan]

Your takes haven't improved one bit

I see you still have a split personality: HH with the log into (Ace account) and log off (HH) account bads.

I still think the Hype are the favorites. I just so happen to think that their road to a 3-peat will be tougher if the contenders in the EC are healthy. Indiana, Brooklyn, and the Bulls are all legit if healthy. If they get through al of them in route to the Finals, they may very we'll be facing the Clipps (as painful as it is to admit as a Laker fan). On paper, the Clipps are the most complete team in the WC. They match up well with the Hype and won't be overwhelmed athletically like most teams are.

[Ace]

PG-led teams without a legitimate secondary option generally aren't real contenders, tbh..

I heard this in 2011 from most people..if you search through ST in 2011, the majority of posters here predicted Chicago would beat Miami, most even predicted it would be easy, while a minority group of us repeated how easily Miami would dismantle them, which was ultimately proven in the ECFs..

That Bulls team had a healthy Rose, a healthy Noah and a prime Luol Deng, compared to this year's team with Rose coming off a major injury, Noah with bad feet, and Deng on the decline..the 2011 Heat were starting Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony, along with minimal chemistry, yet they barely had any problems with the Bulls..

Indiana and Brooklyn will pose a larger threat to the Heat, tbh..

The goods...

[ElNono]

Boozer, Hamilton, and Deng can all score. Backups and role players that help score points include Dunleavey and Heinrich.

You replace Robinson with Rose and Belinelli with Dunleavey. Full season with Butler in the rotation. They still have the horses to be an excellent defensive team.

I gather by Hamilton you mean RIP? They waived him back in July. Boozer disappears when the going gets though and Deng has been pretty poor the last few seasons.

I just don't see it. Once you take out Rose, their offense is incredibly easy to gameplan against...

[ElNono]

The Bulls have consistently beaten the Spurs(the supposed 2nd best team in the NBA) with or without Rose. I've seen nothing to suggest that it'd be any different this year

the Spurs were 2-0 against Chicago last season, and are 4-2 against them the last 3 seasons...

smh

[RsxPiimp]

It's funny how matchup works though, Indiana is my pick to beat Miami but there's a great chance Indiana loses to Chicago if these two meet in the postseason.


Not sold on Brooklyn however, Deron is their biggest question mark going forward. Very similar to that Blazers team.

[Ashy Larry]

Rockets. Clippers are gonna have a great season.

[RsxPiimp]

And the Clippers are not on par with Houston. Houston will be a sloppy team at time in the regular season but come playoff time they have one gear left where as what you see from the Clippers in RS will be the same team come playoff time. Doc Rivers yelling in the sideline will not make this group better. Doc is about to find out how valuable Pierce and KG's leadership come playoff time. CP3 and BG are so raw in that department.

[baseline bum]

Laker fans still salty over the failure of The Begging.