The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

[Blake]

Yeah, ok tough guy who his pants.

Ok dumb guy making up

[George W Bush]

You have no idea what science is.

You're ignorant and arrogant to boot. It's why you keep getting on day after day.

o America, lil Blakie

members of SpursTalk, -- and to the world,


Blakie, I'm glad you brought up boots. My daddy got me some boots.

But I never used them with another man like our surveillance showed you did with ol chumpie.

You fellas only wear boots and some jelly I never seen at HEB - called KY.

Momma never used this jelly on my pb&J, but you fellas seemed to like it.

You got my attention talkin bout science. I know a thing or three bout science.

Cheney informed me that while tappin your phone lines in 2006 that you complained about your lava flows comin from between your legs to ol chumpie.

Seeing as how I still have ties to government records, I see that you and chumpies lava flows have been raised to TERROR THREAT LEVEL RED - by this SBM fella..hehehe

Now, there are fact deniers that will say your lava flows are not based on "sound science", and to that I say,

well, hehe - that's just not true. In fact - that just couldn't be further from the truth. My administration heard these flows.


That's "sound" science. hehehe



I'm George W Bush and I approve this message

[silverblk mystix]

o America, lil Blakie

members of SpursTalk, -- and to the world,


Blakie, I'm glad you brought up boots. My daddy got me some boots.

But I never used them with another man like our surveillance showed you did with ol chumpie.

You fellas only wear boots and some jelly I never seen at HEB - called KY.

Momma never used this jelly on my pb&J, but you fellas seemed to like it.

You got my attention talkin bout science. I know a thing or three bout science.

Cheney informed me that while tappin your phone lines in 2006 that you complained about your lava flows comin from between your legs to ol chumpie.

Seeing as how I still have ties to government records, I see that you and chumpies lava flows have been raised to TERROR THREAT LEVEL RED - by this SBM fella..hehehe

Now, there are fact deniers that will say your lava flows are not based on "sound science", and to that I say,

well, hehe - that's just not true. In fact - that just couldn't be further from the truth. My administration heard these flows.


That's "sound" science. hehehe



I'm George W Bush and I approve this message

[silverblk mystix]

"the mystics lied and stated science is stuck here."

true mystics don't care about reason and science. They use direct, intuitive knowledge, much superior, available when the nervous system is refined. purified, calmed, Self-realized.

booooooooooom!


Truth bomb!

[SA210]

[pgardn]

"the mystics lied and stated science is stuck here."

true mystics don't care about reason and science. They use direct, intuitive knowledge, much superior, available when the nervous system is refined. purified, calmed, Self-realized.

So you get high and make up stuff...

Cool.

No testing, no observation, just sit and think. Humans have the innate intuition already implanted. Meet Plato buffo.
Like we have not already been through this stuff. Do you ever read Bouton's or just copy and paste?

[pgardn]

booooooooooom!


Truth bomb!

More like a 3000 year old fire cracker...

crackle fizz...

This is Godawful embarrassing. Stuck with the Greeks. Good show.

[silverblk mystix]

More like a 3000 year old fire cracker...

crackle fizz...

This is Godawful embarrassing. Stuck with the Greeks. Good show.

Let's make it real simple....

#1) You can add all kinds of knowledge, degrees, theories, concepts, ideas, conventions, etc....just pile on everything you can cram in your brain for as many years as you want....


#2) You can subtract all those things above - and keep subtracting - until all your programming,conditioning, etc is completely wiped out....



In matters of god/truth/reality/love -


I would put my money on the 2nd one being the closest to what "reality" is.

[Blake]

Let's make it real simple....

#1) You can add all kinds of knowledge, degrees, theories, concepts, ideas, conventions, etc....just pile on everything you can cram in your brain for as many years as you want....


#2) You can subtract all those things above - and keep subtracting - until all your programming,conditioning, etc is completely wiped out....



In matters of god/truth/reality/love -


I would put my money on the 2nd one being the closest to what "reality" is.

subtract all your knowledge and explain the truth about gravity.

Go.

[pgardn]

Let's make it real simple....

#1) You can add all kinds of knowledge, degrees, theories, concepts, ideas, conventions, etc....just pile on everything you can cram in your brain for as many years as you want....


#2) You can subtract all those things above - and keep subtracting - until all your programming,conditioning, etc is completely wiped out....



In matters of god/truth/reality/love -


I would put my money on the 2nd one being the closest to what "reality" is.

Whats the truth, is the earth round or flat?

How do you know, pretend like we never had pictures from satellites, how did we know?
Oh it does not matter he says as he uses his GPS for directions...
Reality is all in the feeling, relax, feel the universe expand...

[pgardn]

Let's make it real simple....

#1) You can add all kinds of knowledge, degrees, theories, concepts, ideas, conventions, etc....just pile on everything you can cram in your brain for as many years as you want....


#2) You can subtract all those things above - and keep subtracting - until all your programming,conditioning, etc is completely wiped out....



In matters of god/truth/reality/love -


I would put my money on the 2nd one being the closest to what "reality" is.

it makes me laugh you think you have reached some sort of understanding that is novel, unique, and that people who actually understand science can't reach...

Pope Silver Mysfit, purveyor of THE TRUTH... Da dummmmmmmmm!

[silverblk mystix]

Let's make it real simple....

#1) You can add all kinds of knowledge, degrees, theories, concepts, ideas, conventions, etc....just pile on everything you can cram in your brain for as many years as you want....


#2) You can subtract all those things above - and keep subtracting - until all your programming,conditioning, etc is completely wiped out....



In matters of god/truth/reality/love -


I would put my money on the 2nd one being the closest to what "reality" is.

Try again blind mice -


read the large letters above - r-e-a-l s-l-o-w -


then you can try again.


So easy to read a paragraph.....



How did you two morons


manage to both miss the most important part?

[pgardn]

The truth of what you cabbage head?

What is God?

Reality is your subjective experience so I'm afraid I'm out.

Love. Do you love your wife the same way you love your parents or your children. Why love anything, just be selfishly subjective?

Airy fairy piece of crap.

?i have found a higher level of consciousness by looking within. I am so above all that I smell, see, hear, feel, and ponder...relax, watch the spider build the web, it will come, you will find God in the patterns...

[silverblk mystix]

The truth of what you cabbage head?

What is God?

Reality is your subjective experience so I'm afraid I'm out.

Love. Do you love your wife the same way you love your parents or your children. Why love anything, just be selfishly subjective?

Airy fairy piece of crap.

?i have found a higher level of consciousness by looking within. I am so above all that I smell, see, hear, feel, and ponder...relax, watch the spider build the web, it will come, you will find God in the patterns...

You never read the brainwashing part of this thread - so you missed it. On top of the trolling and the circle jerk - it got derailed anyway - so why explain - when this is the result?


Right - no need to.

[pgardn]

Brainwashing...

How would you even attempt to tackle something like this when you have no clue concerning the development or functioning of your brain, basic neurology, etc...

if you tried to read about the subject you would infact, brainwash yourself so that you would taint your ability to REALLY understand brainwashing by your own clean the slate methods.

Why I believe what I believe because I understand what I believe is tainted by what I have experienced. Damn.


?you are correct. This is useless.

You guys are the only ones that have ever thought about how all current experience has an impact on how you think, what you believe, and how you came to your beliefs. You are in a completely novel crowd of self reflective people. The rest of us can't get it. You are the man. Go on the circuit with all the other guys with plants on stage and wear a nice big sweater.

[xmas1997]

Everyone starts at some basic status quo. I think it is fundamentally correct, given that there is no clear definition of what god is, to say that science cannot answer questions about god.


And everyone of those men you mentioned had their status quo hang ups. Einstein could not abide that quantum mechanics relied heavily on probability. "God does not roll dice" ...

You are referring to modeling problems in a different way. There is nothing mystical about modeling, so why not use a new model instead of mystical? And the modeling is based on sound reasoning. I guess it's too boring so something that borders on magical sounds better?

And reasonable people negate sources that are not based on fundamental logic and reasoning. Sorry, but when my wallet falls off the dresser in the middle of the night, I am not spending time on searching for my dead grandmother penny pincher. Have you heard of Occam's razor? It's very useful, try it. Or wander aimlessly, we only have a short time, cut to the chase.

Yes, very astute of you. From William of Ockham. To wit, when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.
But Ernst Mach had his own version. "Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude everything not perceived by the senses."

The problem with that is with the "senses". If they are clouded by agendas or biased in any way whatsoever then the theory will contain limitations.
That is why the use of strictly logic and reason can in many cases block the discovery of Truth.
As for God? I have barely an inkling of the concept. I prefer to concentrate on Truth. That concept is hard enough. And I suspect once Truth is understood, then the concept of God will be much clearer. And before we can understand Truth, it may be necessary to understand the concept of "knowledge".
One step at a time.

The esoteric teaching about knowledge and being refers to the fact that knowledge cannot be understood unless there is a corresponding development of being.
A man may know a great deal and understand nothing because his being is not equal to his knowledge.
As a consequence, no inner union can take place between his being and his knowledge . . . The man of poor being and great knowledge can only give out meaningless material that leads nowhere.
And not only this, but he can only complicate everything and make it unintelligible.

A new model for "mystical" probably is called for as you say, I just have not heard of one yet that fits our modern day sensibilities. Possibly "seeker on the path to Truth" is the best I can come up with. In any case, such a one generally isn't concerned so much with labels or models as they are with "change", since everything is in a constant state of change.

The true "seeker" never evangelizes, never tries to convince people they ought to achieve a higher state of being, never argues with a seed that it should become a plant. Rather, he simply makes available the knowledge that a seed can become a plant --- if it learns how to die to being a seed.

And there are many pitfalls as well as falsities, and also those who would pose as seekers of the Truth who really are not, thus leading many astray. But most of all there are the detractors and the ridiculers who can stifle ones growth toward Truth. So you first have to ask, what in a seed would keep it a seed?
- The assumption that it's present state of being is final and complete,
- Fear of what it means to die as a seed,
- The presumption that it is already a plant (there are many seeds, pretending to be plants),
- Su ion of the idea that seeds can become plants,
- Complete satisfaction with its present state as a seed,
- Laziness, lethargy, obsession with seed pleasures.
Any and all of this can impede ones progress.

[xmas1997]

"the mystics lied and stated science is stuck here."

true mystics don't care about reason and science. They use direct, intuitive knowledge, much superior, available when the nervous system is refined. purified, calmed, Self-realized.

You said in a few words what took me paragraphs to try to explain. I commend you.
I just don't know if some can comprehend such a simple definition without retreating back to their safe haven of logic, reason, and scientific method.
But in the final analysis it really doesn't matter because a true seeker of Truth is not concerned with those things as much as he is with "arriving" at Truth, whichever path takes him there is secondary, and whoever truly seeks, will find it. The rest will wallow in their own self maintained levels of mediocrity.

[TeyshaBlue]

You said in a few words what took me paragraphs to try to explain. I commend you.
I just don't know if some can comprehend such a simple definition without retreating back to their safe haven of logic, reason, and scientific method.
But in the final analysis it really doesn't matter because a true seeker of Truth is not concerned with those things as much as he is with "arriving" at Truth, whichever path takes him there is secondary, and whoever truly seeks, will find it. The rest will wallow in their own self maintained levels of mediocrity.

This made me giggle. But, it was an enlightened giggle.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, very astute of you. From William of Ockham. To wit, when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.
But Ernst Mach had his own version. "Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude everything not perceived by the senses."

There is no logical basis for occam's razor. oh and quantum mechanics say o. It's little surprise that in a capitalist society such an ethic gets play as the simpler solution is typically cheaper. Mach just doesn't like people making up.

The problem with that is with the "senses". If they are clouded by agendas or biased in any way whatsoever then the theory will contain limitations.
That is why the use of strictly logic and reason can in many cases block the discovery of Truth.

WTF are you talking about. A logical construct is not empirical and as such outside of the initial induction is completely developed in the mind. Seeing that everything can be 'clouded' its irrelevant as a comparison tool.

As for God? I have barely an inkling of the concept. I prefer to concentrate on Truth. That concept is hard enough. And I suspect once Truth is understood, then the concept of God will be much clearer. And before we can understand Truth, it may be necessary to understand the concept of "knowledge".
One step at a time.

You wrap truth in the same bull mumbo jumbo as the your god so what difference does it make?

The esoteric teaching about knowledge and being refers to the fact that knowledge cannot be understood unless there is a corresponding development of being.
A man may know a great deal and understand nothing because his being is not equal to his knowledge.

And here we get your mumbo jumbo regarding knowledge. replace the word knowledge with god and you can see exactly what I am talking about. "A man may know a great deal and understand nothing because his being is not equal to his god." you trying to set up a country club for knowledge. skull-1 loves this notion.

As a consequence, no inner union can take place between his being and his knowledge . . . The man of poor being and great knowledge can only give out meaningless material that leads nowhere.
And not only this, but he can only complicate everything and make it unintelligible.

Unintelligible like you are doing right now? I have no difficulty understanding what I know. That is the beauty of logic and empiricism. A logical conclusion based on proven principles has merit. A verifiable observation has merit. Mystical sky man that I have to prepare my being to understand? Not so much.

A new model for "mystical" probably is called for as you say, I just have not heard of one yet that fits our modern day sensibilities. Possibly "seeker on the path to Truth" is the best I can come up with. In any case, such a one generally isn't concerned so much with labels or models as they are with "change", since everything is in a constant state of change.

blah blah blah blah. semantics and trying to mystify the notion of entropy.

The true "seeker" never evangelizes, never tries to convince people they ought to achieve a higher state of being, never argues with a seed that it should become a plant. Rather, he simply makes available the knowledge that a seed can become a plant --- if it learns how to die to being a seed.

true seeker? stick you moralisms up your ass.

And there are many pitfalls as well as falsities, and also those who would pose as seekers of the Truth who really are not, thus leading many astray. But most of all there are the detractors and the ridiculers who can stifle ones growth toward Truth. So you first have to ask, what in a seed would keep it a seed?
- The assumption that it's present state of being is final and complete,
- Fear of what it means to die as a seed,
- The presumption that it is already a plant (there are many seeds, pretending to be plants),
- Su ion of the idea that seeds can become plants,
- Complete satisfaction with its present state as a seed,
- Laziness, lethargy, obsession with seed pleasures.
Any and all of this can impede ones progress.

seed pleasures? I get you poisoning the well. BEWARE THE UNBELIEVER!!

- The assumption that it's present state of being is changing in some mystic manner,
- Fear of what it means to be exactly as it seems you are,
- The presumption that you are going to maically change into something that a dumbass cannot even articulate,
- Su ion that reality is completely unlike the sensory world in every way shape and form even by extension ie a microscope
- Complete dissatisfaction with who you are, being ashamed of who you are;
- Laziness, lethargy, obsession with anything at all
Any and all of this can impede ones progress.

[xmas1997]

Fuzzy, are you in S.A. or nearby? Or even Austin?
We are putting together a GTG.
Are you interested in going?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, are you in S.A. or nearby? Or even Austin?
We are putting together a GTG.
Are you interested in going?

nope

[xmas1997]

nope

With your at ude?
Figured as much.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

With your at ude?
Figured as much.

That I don't want to your imaginary gtg? That's nice.

Just because I do not like you because I feel that you bring down the quality of this board with your disingenuous bull does not mean I treat everyone like that. mouse, EN, bb, maalox, funt, LJ, CC, vy, judy, HH, RG, racm, chump, trill, lee, t park, lefty, symple, ctoa, dd, irf, creepn, vq, kbl, t park, excst, br, alamo, wine, DMC, blake, dok, kw, scott, lngr, the aussies, etc. When one of those guys organize a gtg then let me know.

I get along with all sorts of people. I just don't like you and when I see you taking a on the board I speak out. It's saddening how you, SA210, sbm all but chased everyone out of the club last week. you've been told before to cut your so you go to different accounts and do not act like I am alone in this sentiment towards you. You have gotten this sentiment from all manner of board mainstays. youre widely reviled and complain about snitches when you get pinked. it is what it is but I am not going to play nice with you so quit trying.

[silverblk mystix]

With your at ude?
Figured as much.

Sir, if fuzzy would rather be tortured and then boiled in oil - rather than having a good time =

who are we to argue?

[SA210]

That I don't want to your imaginary gtg? That's nice.

Just because I do not like you because I feel that you bring down the quality of this board with your disingenuous bull does not mean I treat everyone like that. mouse, EN, bb, maalox, funt, LJ, CC, vy, judy, HH, RG, racm, chump, trill, lee, t park, lefty, symple, ctoa, dd, irf, creepn, vq, kbl, t park, excst, br, alamo, wine, DMC, blake, dok, kw, scott, lngr, the aussies, etc. When one of those guys organize a gtg then let me know.

I get along with all sorts of people. I just don't like you and when I see you taking a on the board I speak out. It's saddening how you, SA210, sbm all but chased everyone out of the club last week. you've been told before to cut your so you go to different accounts and do not act like I am alone in this sentiment towards you. You have gotten this sentiment from all manner of board mainstays. youre widely reviled and complain about snitches when you get pinked. it is what it is but I am not going to play nice with you so quit trying.

^^^ This pussy lying snitch troll just told a lie again trying to get attention from mods. He just described what he and his troll friends have done to the forum and is attempting to project it onto those who have exposed them for it.

Nice try Fuzzy, but you fail. Troll.

Btw, you hate xmas and his honest neutrality bc he is far more intelligent than you.