HIV = AIDS, Fact or Fraud?

[DeadlyDynasty]

He has some very controversial opinions about HIV to say the least - that it is an incredibly weak virus that can only take root in people with severely compromised immune systems. People that party really, really hard and abuse things like poppers.

As soon as I saw his picture I was like "Ohhhhhhhhh, that guy."

Yeah, some of what he says seems plausible, but I thought the amyl nitrite theory was rendered bunk in the early-80s. As for his theories about the virus (and retroviruses in general), you could say that about any infectious organism--of course immunocompromised people are at greater risk. The problem is we still know relatively little about retroviruses, especially HIV. SIV1 for instance, is naturally found in chimpanzees but it doesn't harm them. HIV, however, isn't naturally present in humans and how it came about is still a mystery.

This brings us to OPV/HIV--the only CT I truly believe in...and it's criminal that it's considered a conspiracy theory. I won't bore you with that, leemajors, but suffice to say that it's an incredibly engrossing topic that--if interested--it'll preoccupy you for weeks. That's where HIV was born, imo...not this bushmeat bull where "we think this guy in 1930 got it" or "some dude butchered a chimp and ate it, causing a mutation and creating HIV." To me, Bushmeat Theory is about as plausible as Adam and Eve.

Check it out sometime.

[pgardn]

In contrast, the HIV deniers are an oddball collection of prissy scientists, right-wing moralizers, standard big-government paranoids, and those still very spooked by the idea that men have sex with men. There are no TV stars in their midst, no money, much less Big Money; they have neither conventions nor house organs—even Fox News sits at a safe remove. Indeed, they have no real political agenda except perhaps a limp su ion that science is corrupt and scientists are even more corrupt and that all those taxpayer billions could be better spent on a real disease.


Standard big anything paranoids.

Largest portion of the wacks on this board. If it's big, it must be bad. Big govt, big oil, big Pharma, big Jews, big media...
Then you got the I'm a contrarian group, which is fine, if you actually understand the convention you attack in the first place.

Thanks Boutons.

[leemajors]

As soon as I saw his picture I was like "Ohhhhhhhhh, that guy."

Yeah, some of what he says seems plausible, but I thought the amyl nitrite theory was rendered bunk in the early-80s. As for his theories about the virus (and retroviruses in general), you could say that about any infectious organism--of course immunocompromised people are at greater risk. The problem is we still know relatively little about retroviruses, especially HIV. SIV1 for instance, is naturally found in chimpanzees but it doesn't harm them. HIV, however, isn't naturally present in humans and how it came about is still a mystery.

This brings us to OPV/HIV--the only CT I truly believe in...and it's criminal that it's considered a conspiracy theory. I won't bore you with that, leemajors, but suffice to say that it's an incredibly engrossing topic that--if interested--it'll preoccupy you for weeks. That's where HIV was born, imo...not this bushmeat bull where "we think this guy in 1930 got it" or "some dude butchered a chimp and ate it, causing a mutation and creating HIV." To me, Bushmeat Theory is about as plausible as Adam and Eve.

Check it out sometime.

I just heard him on SA210's main source for health information, the Joe Rogan Experience:



It was an interesting interview to say the least, it's hard to knock his pedigree as a researcher. I think it is silly he has been totally ostracized by his colleagues though.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, it's petty but the scientific communty--particularly in regards to medicine--gets incredibly defensive and cliquish when faced with opposing viewpoints that come from real scientists and/or researchers (not so much religious wingnuts).

[pgardn]

Scientists who are gadflys are always popular with a community hoping for mass conspiracies.


There are much more interesting differences between scientist who understand that contracting HIV can lead to AIDS. There are many disagreements within this community that leads to very good science. They self critique in a very useful way. Sometimes it gets very nasty.

At 18 to 20 minutes you can stop the video.

At 22 minutes he basically gives information that does NOT follow ALL the research. He picks and chooses the papers that bolsters his claim without mentioning follow ups that don't.

[leemajors]

Scientists who are gadflys are always popular with a community hoping for mass conspiracies.


There are much more interesting differences between scientist who understand that contracting HIV can lead to AIDS. There are many disagreements within this community that leads to very good science. They self critique in a very useful way. Sometimes it gets very nasty.

At 18 to 20 minutes you can stop the video.

At 22 minutes he basically gives information that does NOT follow ALL the research. He picks and chooses the papers that bolsters his claim without mentioning follow ups that don't.

You'd know far better than I regarding how well his opinion is propped up for sure. It was something interesting to think about. I can't remember if they got him high or not.

[ElNono]

That's where HIV was born, imo...not this bushmeat bull where "we think this guy in 1930 got it" or "some dude butchered a chimp and ate it, causing a mutation and creating HIV." To me, Bushmeat Theory is about as plausible as Adam and Eve.

Check it out sometime.

Related, and I thought it was interesting:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/...from-uganda-uw

[leemajors]

Related, and I thought it was interesting:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/...from-uganda-uw

that is ing revolting. ingrown nose hairs are bad enough but I think I would flip out.

[pgardn]

that is ing revolting. ingrown nose hairs are bad enough but I think I would flip out.

For some reason I thought the article was hilarious...

Given that this tick avoided detection during an international flight back to Wisconsin

Like the tick was planning a terrorist mission. The body scans revealed nothing... .

The scientist wanted to claw his face off, but curiosity prevented him from doing so.

Good stuff there.