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Parker could conceivably fall off pretty brutally over the next few years as his speed leaves him, though. We'll see tbh.
Seriously? He will be the #1 guy on a contender and a legit MVP candidate too over the next 2 years. The only problem is that he would rather go somewhere in free agency or resign with us than go to a lottery team.
Teams might not want to give him a lot of money, but Parker will have no shortage of suitors amongst contenders in 2015. He's become an elite playmaker and mid range shooter, barring injury he'll be able to play at a top level until 2017. Maybe Bud and the Hawks will give up something for him, or the 76ers with Brown.
Either way, I don't think we'll get very good value for him since he can go wherever he wants as a free agent. Thinking about it I'd rather resign him so he can retire a Spur
Parker could conceivably fall off pretty brutally over the next few years as his speed leaves him, though. We'll see tbh.
Exactly... this talk of falling from the 1/2 seed range to out of the playoffs sans Duncan is ridiculous. But a second round exit is likely the ceiling, unless they fell into a situation like Memphis did last year. Playoffs are a much different animal.
Right on. I disagree with the people who think outright tanking is the solution to reloading - remember that the only #1 picks since Hakeem who have won les with their original teams are David and Timmy, with top three picks more often clogging a team with outsized rookie contracts. Look at how quickly teams are running from the Wesley Johnsons / Evan Turners / etc. of the world once they start approaching eight figure annual salaries on qualifying offers. Guys drafted towards the middle to end of the lottery tend to turn out just fine and offer more cap flexibility.
Lastly, Aldridge isn't coming here so time to stop smoking that pipe. Neither is Kevin Love.
I just won't be able to be a Spurs fan, if we sign Love. I just hate that moron. I really prefer Favors or Davis, but yeah, neither gonna happen.
if you think Kawhi staying will make or break the franchise, you are blind. nothing screams franchise player about him, not even in the finals. obviously would be wonderful to have him as a 3rd or 4th option for the next 10 years, but Spurs are still ed after Tim and Pop leave no matter who's on the roster.
What absolute nonsense. Between '05-'10, there have been 8 players picked between #2-#5 that have made an All NBA teams. Between #5-#60, only 6 players have that same distinction. Of those, only Marc Gasol, David Lee and Rondo were taken outside the Top 10.
The idea that Top 5 picks are overrated is absurd. Rookie contracts are only guaranteed for a couple of years, there is no burden on the franchise whatsoever to keep paying them if they aren't good enough, just decline the team option. Outsized? Wesley Johnson got paid less in Minnesota than Danny Green is getting here, hardly a burden on the franchise.
Players drafted from the middle-to-end lottery may turn out 'just fine', although between '05-'10 not a single All-NBA player has come from the mid round #11-#20 range. In fact, the last player to be drafted in that range and make the All-NBA team was Zach Randolph in 2001.
It's interesting that in terms of All-NBA players, the success rate of the second round seems to be about the same as #11-#30 range, which to me means there is no point in bring bad at all unless you really tank and grab a much higher percentage Top 5 pick.
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Not happening buddy... it's Kobe 5 > 4 Jim & done.
That team would probably end the streak of 50+ win seasons. Probably put us into the lottery though.
Kwahi would have to get to a consistent 20+ppg, 10 rebounds and 5 assists to be THE Man on the Spurs of the future. You need someone with that type of ability and consistency to be the player that a team is built around.
And maybe most importantly, the desire to be the MAN and demand the ball and deliver in the closing minutes has to be there
I know that Jordan blossomed into greatness in his third year, but I don't see that happening with Kwahi. He will be a good player, maybe an occsasional All-Star like Sean ******, but not one of the greats or Top 50 of all time.
That sounds like a real great sales pitch for Kawhi.
Even that's doubtful to be honest. And forget about All-NBA.
Honestly though the hyperbole surrounding Kawhi on this site is pretty ridiculous at times. He's done nothing to show that he has the potential to become a franchise player, so why are we treating him as one?
Like, imagine if this thread was about Boris Diaw @ 24 years of age instead. Diaw is a very, very good player. He causes plenty of matchup problems across the league and he's a valuable asset to a championship team, but he's not a centerpiece or anything. The same is true of Kawhi. He's an excellent piece on a championship team but some people are making him out to be more than he is.
Thats a very optimistic look. Parker will be 33 and in his 14 season. Plus 2 seasons of the post season and international play as well. If he improves his outside shooting to compensate for his decreasing speed and the Spurs find an other play maker to take some of the load off he could continue to be a great player but not on the level of the past two season, I would think.
Also just because Atlanta & Philadelphia has a former Spurs coach, doesn't mean that they will be any more interested in Parker than any other team. I don't believe Parker would leave but his next contract will be interesting.
So if 8 top five picks have made it, 22 haven't. So you have a 25% chance of getting an All NBAer (who may already be done with his contract by the time he makes it there). In other words, by no means a sure bet. I would take our scouting over others. There's a little cherrypicking going on too, as the Kobes, Nashes, Parkers, Ginobilis, etc. of the world have gone later in the draft than the top 10 but earlier years.
To get down to a top five pick, you have to be REALLY bad (low 30s in win total). I'm in favor of tanking if the situation is right when Parker is on the way out, but until then, let's keep it going.
let's face reality
Kawhi is a great prospect right now and a SOLID role player in a championship team. If we are lucky he could blossom into an allstar and a LEGIT 3rd string leader in a team. Kinda like the MATRIX
We would need a small miracle for Kawhi to then blossom to a legit 2nd BANANA in a team. and one of the greatest miracles in history for him to blossom into a LEGIT #1 option in a team.
Leonard is already a legit #3 on a le team, he showed that last year, and in a league where a guy like Luol Deng has made multiple All-Star teams, Kawhi will make a few, tbh..
He will never be a franchise player, and he will need to make serious strides to become a #2 guy, tbh..
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I still think Kawhi Leonard is going to become a star player. Hopefully, the Spurs can have some players like Kabongo, DeShaun Thomas, etc. come in and play well in a few seaons. Also, the Spurs should have the cap space to make a run at a few good free agents. I don't see the team tanking unless they decide that's what's best. In that case, trading Parker for draft picks and moves like that might make sense. If that happens, though...I agree that it would be hard to persuade Kawhi Leonard to stay with the Spurs.
Deshaun Thomas may never sign with the Spurs, let alone play. There's no NBA position he can defend. Forget about Thomas.
Tim and Tony remain the team's stars and Pop isn't calling more plays for Leonard. In a couple of years without Timmy, Kawhi'll be our best winning card. Right now it's still a work in progress.
I agree with both of these. ^
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