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Honestly Pau needs to retire.
This is getting really sad at this point, during the 1st quarter MVPau was like 2-3 but of course he couldn't go off because that would be too much to ask, so he finished the game 3-12 with 9 points.
Not only that but his man, Davis, finished with a game-high 32 points (12-18)Keep up the stellar defense Gasoft
Honestly Pau needs to retire.
What's his stats now?
The funny part is when spurfan says Kobe only plays one side of the court and plays no defense. At least Kobe brings the buckets and playmaking, MVPau plays zero sides of the court at this point.
Why would Al-Quobe create this thread now, tbh?
Gasol is well past his athletic prime and it's evident he hasn't given a in 2 years, he was struggling even with Kobe in the lineup ever since Phil Jackson's departure..all he does is shoot lazy jump shots and pass the ball to his ty teammates now..makes you s look salty, tbh..
Yet you had nary a post here pre-Pau.
I really don't want to bash Pau but he's playing so terribly at the moment. Hope he gets back on track because the Lakers need him so bad while the Lakers buy time with Kobe's road to full recovery.
Can't even spin this since I didn't watch the game
Gasol is 33, his vagina started itching when he was only 31 and Dirk decided to take a dump on his chest and with Phil still with the Lakers. He doesn't get a pass for being a lazy bum that doesn't give a for 3 seasons.Why would Al-Quobe create this thread now, tbh?
Gasol is well past his athletic prime and it's evident he hasn't given a in 2 years, he was struggling even with Kobe in the lineup ever since Phil Jackson's departure..all he does is shoot lazy jump shots and pass the ball to his ty teammates now..makes you s look salty, tbh..
Ancient 35 year old Kobe just dropped 27 PPG on 46% shooting 6 REB 6 AST last season. So no, lack of athleticism doesn't give Pau a pass tbh.
El hombre espańol puede jugar aún, en mi opinión. Él simplemente necesita un equipo mejor.
Kinda flawed logic though, Kirby shoots more when others are cold or the game is close and every basket counts. The team also started winning more as Kirby became more of a facilitator in the 2nd half of the season, they finished I think 26-14 for their last 40 games with Kirby playing that role. He averaged over 7 assists per game for the last 2-3 months of the season.What's wrong with the 1-10 and Lakers win?
It's not like the Lakers win a lot with Kobe scoring a lot of points or shoots a lot.
Last year, in the 78 games where Kobe played in, the breakdown of the Lakers record by the points Kobe scored is as follows:
0-4 points - 2-0 (100%)
5-9 points - 0-0 (N/A)
10-14 points - 4-0 (100%)
15-19 points - 7-2 (78%)
20-24 points - 8-5 (62%)
25-30 points - 4-11 (27%)
30-34 points - 12-8 (60%)
35-39 points - 1-6 (14%)
40-44 points - 3-4 (43%)
45-49 points - 1-0 (100%)
He scores in the high 20s on average, using 27 points as a cut off (he averaged 27.3 ppg), The Lakers were 24-11 when Kobe scored 0 to 27 points (69% winning %) vs. 18-25 when Kobe scored 28 or more points (42% winning %). In other words, the Lakers are about the level of a Nuggets or a Clippers when Kobe plays below average, and at the level of the Blazers when Kobe plays his average.
Now look at the number of FGA and the relationship with the Lakers record:
0-4 FGA - 1-0 (100%)
5-9 FGA - 1-0 (100%)
10-14 FGA - 8-2 (80%)
15-19 FGA - 14-9 (61%)
20-24 FGA - 14-14 (50%)
25-29 FGA - 3-8 (27%)
30-34 FGA - 0-3 (0%)
35-40 FGA - 0-0 (N/A)
41-45 FGA - 1-0 (100%)
In other words, the less shots Kobe took, the better the Lakers were. Using his 19.2 FGA as the cut off, the Lakers were 13-2 (87%) when Kobe shot 19 or less shots, and 29-34 (46%) when he shot more than 19 shots. The difference is between a 1996 Bulls team and last year's Blazers.
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When Lakers finished off 6-0 to close the season, Kirby was averaging 30 points 7 reb 7.5 ast in his last 6 games in April and he was basically playing every minute as well, so him doing more resulted in more wins to be honest.
I think the bigger problem was his turnovers and Dwight's horrible FT shooting, they just weren't a good mix. Shaq back in the day wasn't much better at the line, but he also didn't have to be as he finished his shots when he got fouled and got a bunch of and-1s.
Kirby had a pretty good season, but I think the losses had more to do with his turnovers and his non-existent defense than his scoring.
And looking at ppg again. Ignoring all advanced stats, or even simple things like +/-, because PPG is the be all and end all. Typical Kobestan.
It could be both, and given that you have raised the issue, I am actually interested to find out.
In terms of TO:
0: 0-1 (0%)
1: 9-3 (75%)
2: 4-9 (31%)
3: 11-3 (79%)
4: 6-4 (60%)
5: 7-5 (58%)
6: 3-8 (27%)
7: 0-2 (0%)
8: 1-0 (100%)
9: 1-0 (100%)
10: 0-1 (0%)
There seems to be some pattern, but really not that clear.
In terms of assists:
0: 0-3 (0%)
1: 1-2 (33%)
2: 1-3 (25%)
3: 0-9 (0%)
4: 6-2 (75%)
5: 6-5 (55%)
6: 6-2 (75%)
7: 6-3 (67%)
8: 5-1 (83%)
9: 3-3 (50%)
10: 0-1 (0%)
11: 3-2 (60%)
12: 2-0 (100%)
13: 0-0 (N/A)
14: 3-0 (100%)
This seems like a much clearer pattern. When Kobe doesn't ball hog, the team does better, which really works with my previous post of how Kobe shoots less = Lakers better.
Now let's look at the FG% of the team outside of Kobe in W/L when Kobe scores > and < 27 PPG.
In wins that Kobe scores 27 or less points, the rest of the team shoots 50% in W and 48% in losses. Hardly a noticeable difference. In games where Kobe scores more than 27 points, the rest of the team shoots 45% in Ws and 42% in L.
Now the rest of the team's percentage doesn't seem to factor that much in W/L. They are slightly worse in losses, but that is true for pretty much every single team.
To put it in perspective, let's look at the FG% of the rest of the team vs. W/L and how many points Kobe scores in total.
When Kobe scores:
0-4 points: 46% in wins, no losses
10-14 points: 53% in wins, no losses
15-19: 50%/43%
20-24: 49%/51%
25-29: 43%/44%
30-34: 47%/44%
35-39: 41%/38%
40-44: 41%/38%
45-49: 39%/no losses
There is a clear pattern that the more points Kobe scored, the worse the team shot, but there is very little difference in FG% in W/L under each category, unlike the clear indication of how Kobe's points inversely affects W/L. Now does Kobe jack up more shots because the rest of the team was struggling, or was it the other way around, where the rest of the team struggles because they are out of rhythm with Kobe jacking up a lot of shots?
Given how Kobe's history of jacking up shots with no regard for human life regardless of cir stances, I am siding on the later.
Great analysis, obviously it has more to do with how much Kirby distributes the ball, of course there were games where Kirby was hot and his teammates were cold, so he resorted to shooting more, but their overall poor record, and them losing 19 games out of 39 being up or down 5 with less than 5 minutes to go in the game show that Kirby wasn't that great of a floor leader. Kirby played in all of the 39 games that were decided in the last 5 minutes and he barely won 50% of them, he took 50% of the shots at the end of games in all 39 of them. So he had a big impact on losing those games.
Unfortunately, there isn't a TO% available for those 39 games that were decided in crunch time, I'd be interested to see how many times he turned it over and how many of the team's turnovers were his. He often had games with 5-10 turnovers.
Steve Blake…Jordan Farmar…Jodie Meeks…Nick Young…
Blake and Meeks don't shoot enough
Steve Blake…Jordan Farmar…Jodie Meeks…Nick Young…
Young is a chucker with low %
Farmer's an average shooter so far this year.
When I said shooters, I meant quality ones.
BTW, MVPau has looked really bad so far in the year, not sure what is wrong with him. Is it old age and he's just done? Is it the fact that he has to get used to getting the ball again? Is it because D'antoni's system doesn't fit him?
We are talking about a guy who led a team to two championships merely 3 years ago. The drop in his productivity is alarming.
System doesn't fit him. Pace is too quick, which is why he's struggling, imo.
Kobe fans just love ting on Pau. shame.
I think it has to do with playing in the NBA for over a decade & then representing his home country in the off season…The guy is worn out…
Just looking for an occasional TV Gig at this point…
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But then, if your hero cannot elevate himself to real hero status, you have to help him by lowering the bar and that means bashing his teammates to the point where he looks better than them.
Lets be honest. Pau isnt as bad even now as kobefanbois will tell you ... but he was never as good as those that overrate him here either.
Not only was he the supporting star on back2back le teams just a few years back he helped anchor a high level international team as well.
But he has a coach who has a system not best suited to his skill set. And this is just further proof he is not MEANT to be the focal point of any team with aspirations. He has clutch issues that are well chronicled in international play (ask the Spanish/Argentine fans) and he can be mitigated with physical play ...but he was great #2 and could be a great #3, he just cant be that on a team that sucks as bad as the 2013-14 Lakers do.
he would have plenty of use for the Heat, bulls, spurs contenders with good coaching ...but his skill is wasted on LAL right now.
I dont think he is done, but he "diminished". Never been the same since Phil poked his chest during the "sweep" in 2011 ...
ROFL Mvpau ...
I didn't ignore advanced stats clown
And looking at ppg again. Ignoring all advanced stats, or even simple things like +/-, because PPG is the be all and end all. Typical Kobestan.
Kobe had a higher plus/minus per 100 possessions than any player in the series
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9646
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