Fact-Checking The President's Kind-Of Sort-Of 'Apology' For Obamacare-Driven Insurance Cancellations
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...rtner=yahootix
the junk policies were/are ripoffs, invitations to medical bankruptcy, they should have been junked, never been sold. People wouldn't "like" their ty policies if they ever had a medical catastrophe.
the insurance companies, that wrote ACA, are using ACA as a pretext for rate hikes and cancellations.
the cancelling insurance companies are also suckering their ex-customers into buying much more expensive plans without telling them they could do better in the exchanges.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-08-2013 at 01:43 PM.
Cancer Patient Chooses Death Over ObamacareAfter Bill Elliott's $150/mo plan was canceled as a result of the ACA, he found himself unable to burden his family with his new $1500.00/mo premium costs. He is choosing to pay the fine and "let nature take it's course".
SC? red state stupid.
there's always the dubya/Bishop Gecko "universal health care" plan: "Just go to the emergency room"
this Fox Repug Propaganda bull will surely be debunked, as all the Fox horror stories are.
Fox's Rick Stossel says the guy should be FREE! to sell a kidney and lung to defray medical expenses.
Denial-of-service tool targeting Healthcare.gov site discovered
Researchers have uncovered software available on the Internet designed to overload the struggling Healthcare.gov website with more traffic than it can handle.
"ObamaCare is an affront to the Cons utional rights of the people," a screenshot from the tool, which was acquired by researchers at Arbor Networks, declares. "We HAVE the right to CIVIL disobedience!"
In a blog post published Thursday, Arbor researcher Marc Eisenbarth said there's no evidence Healthcare.gov has been subjected to any significant denial-of-service attacks since going live last month. He also said the limited request rate, the lack of significant distribution, and other features of the tool's underlying code made it unlikely that it could play a significant role in taking down the site.
The tool is designed to put a strain on the site by repeatedly alternating requests to the https://www.healthcare.gov and https:www.healthcare.gov/contact-us addresses.
If enough requests are made over a short period of time, it can overload some of the "layer 7" applications that the site relies on to make timely responses.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013...ealthcare-gov/
"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, —the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it."
If context and subtlety were everything then Obama wouldn't had to claim everyone could keep their plans period. I find it surprising that the left thinks that the best political response to Sundby is to attack and discredit her. She will soon be dead and the story will be that she lost her insurance and died because of Obamacare...context and subtlety won't change that storyline.
"She will soon be dead and the story will be that she lost her insurance and died because of Obamacare."
You Lie
She lost her insurance, like millions of others in the individual market over the decades before ACA, because the insurance company cancelled.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-08-2013 at 08:56 PM.
5 people have enrolled in DC.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...9.html?ml=po_r
how many signed up for Medicaid?
In almost the exact amount of time it took from getting Obamacare passed into law til it's web site being opened, the US in the early forties waged the entire second world war. We brought our industry up to speed, we uniformed millions, we built liberty boats at a rate of one per week, we completely rebuilt our navy, we out produced the world in guns, food, tanks and everything else to WIN the war. And yet the administration was unable to develop a successful web site.-Bill from Kentucky
have your fun, TSA, all y'all gonna eat because ACA is gonna be a huge, eternal success.In almost the exact amount of time it took from getting Obamacare passed into law til it's web site being opened, the US in the early forties waged the entire second world war. We brought our industry up to speed, we uniformed millions, we built liberty boats at a rate of one per week, we completely rebuilt our navy, we out produced the world in guns, food, tanks and everything else to WIN the war. And yet the administration was unable to develop a successful web site.-Bill from Kentucky
Boutons being reduced to blindly insisting a bill that is already a total cluster will be a "huge success" just because his party says so
despite what the pundits who were wrong about Bengazi, and IRS gate say, the ACA has already saved 100's of billions of dollars in future debt...
What about the 3.5 million that have already lost their health insurance because barrycare? Will you shed any tears for them?
You Lie
Cancellations were done by the insurance companies, not ACA.
For many, 20% of whom were cancelled anyway EVERY YEAR before ACA, their health "insurance" was totally useless other than as a I-didnt-read-the-fine-print-limits false security blanket.
ACA made those useless policies illegal, aka, govt protecting Human-Americans against Corporate-Americans (because nobody else can).
cluster ed TSA believes the VRWC/Fox/Repug propaganda because they say so.
Read my lips: ACA will be a huge, everlasting success. VRWC/Fox/Repug absolutely know it, too, which is exactly why they are trying so hard to sabotage it while ing over red state poor people.
Yeah, my little Communist friend, using the work friend, very loosely, just like the USSR was such a success. Like Cuban medical care is so great, that Fidel imported a surgeon to work on him. Yeah boutons, you intelligence is showing again.
oh, and you might ask how the POOR are going to handle the deductibles. Or have you even bothered to look up what Daddy
Barry is offering his surf's.
Saw this posted elsewhere. I lol'ed
"FDR promised to defeat National Socialism. JFK promised to put a man on the moon. Reagan promised to crush Communism. Obama promised to.... fix a website, by the end of the month."
silly jerk, you don't realize who the REAL TAKERS are in USA.
yep, but there's no profit margin in fresh food, that's why BigFood only sells heavily processed, "value"-added pathogenic dead garbage.
sad truth tbh..if only people turned to this...it's a huge part of what should be discussed when talking about real "Healthcare". But it isn't.
People are really just talking about sick care.
Up to seven million people may be able to get health policies without paying any premium at all. Some four million people may have to pay more for new (and better) policies, not all of whom will necessarily be upset at getting better coverage at a compe ive rate.
three independent estimates by Wall Street analysts found that five million to seven million people will qualify for federal subsidies that will exceed the cost of the cheapest plans for individuals and families on the exchanges. Neither the Obama administration nor the insurance companies, however, are promoting the plans vigorously. They believe that many consumers would be better off paying a bit more for a policy that would cover more of the out-of-pocket costs for a doctor’s visit or hospital stay.
estimates 12 million people are currently covered by policies bought on the individual market. He says that, after factoring in subsidies on the exchanges, perhaps eight million will be covered by less costly policies next year, and four million will be covered by more expensive policies, which often provide richer benefits.
Individuals facing higher premiums are understandably distressed. But there is no getting around the fact that health reform changes the status quo — including requiring insurance companies to provide essential health benefits that were not previously covered and to take on people who were rejected before because of their health.
Those who will pay more should take comfort in the knowledge that should they lose their jobs or face financial hardships or a medical crisis their previous policies would not have adequately covered, they would benefit from a health care safety net that offers federal subsidies and comprehensive coverage.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/11...alth-care.html
The Obama Pledge on Keeping Your Insurance
First, it is important to note that the ACA grand-fathered all the individual policies that were in place at the time the law was enacted. This means that the plans in effect at the time that President Obama was pushing the bill could still be offered even if they did not meet all the standards laid out in the ACA.
The plans being terminated because they don't meet the minimal standards were all plans that insurers introduced after the passage of the ACA. Insurers introduced these plans knowing that they would not meet the standards that would come into effect in 2014. Insurers may not have informed their clients at the time they sold these plans that they would not be available after 2014 because they had designed a plan that did not comply with the ACA.
However if the insurers didn’t tell their clients that the new plans would only be available for a short period of time, the blame would seem to rest with the insurance companies, not the ACA. After all, President Obama did not promise people that he would keep insurers from developing new plans that will not comply with the provisions of the ACA.
In addition to the new plans that were created that did not comply with the terms of the ACA, there have been complaints that the grandfathering was too strict. For example, insurers can only raise their premiums or deductibles by a small amount above the rate of medical inflation. As a result, many of the plans in existence at the time of the ACA are losing their grandfathered status.
In this case also it is wrong to view the insurers as passive actors who are being forced to stop offering plans because of the ACA. The price increases charged by insurers are not events outside of the control of insurers. If an insurer offers a plan which has many committed buyers, then presumably it would be able to structure its changes in ways that are consistent with the ACA. If it decides not to do so, this is presumably because the insurer has decided that it is not interested in continuing to offer the plan.
As a practical matter there are many plans that insurers will opt to drop for market reasons that may or may not have anything to do with the ACA. It’s hard to see how this could be viewed as a violation of President Obama’s pledge. After all, insurers change and drop plans all the time. Did people who heard Obama’s pledge understand it to mean that insurers would no longer have this option once the ACA passed?
On closer inspection, the claim that President Obama lied in saying that people could keep their insurance looks like another Fox News special. In the only way that the pledge could be interpreted as being meaningful, the pledge is true. The ACA does not eliminate plans that were in existence at the time the bill was approved.
If we want to play Fox News, President Obama also promised people they could keep their doctor. Since 2010 tens of thousands of doctors have retired or even died. Guess the pledge that people could keep their doctor was yet another lie from the Obama administration.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/19955...your-insurance
Much of the ACA claimed fiasco and complexity is due to the huge, complicated fiasco known as the American for-profit health care wealth-extraction racket.
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