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    Quiet as Jerry's funeral.

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    there's nothing to compare that's favorable for Lebron..when you can tell me what legit defenders he's faced then we can talk..ohh wait I guess we'll never talk

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    there's nothing to compare that's favorable for Lebron..when you can tell me what legit defenders he's faced then we can talk..ohh wait I guess we'll never talk
    Can't deny any of the facts in this thread

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    where da is dat thread ?

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    here we are page 1

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    It was shown that Kobe Bryant struggled quite a bit against elite defenders (Bruce Bowen - 42.6%, Bell - 44.4%, Prince - 43.1%, Tony Allen - 42.4%, Battier - 43.3%), so I am not sure what this good defenders crap is supposed to mean. Kobe stunk against them, and Lebron didn't have as good a group of defenders (untrue), so Kobe is better? What the kind of logic is that?

    For comparison's purposes, Lebron's H2H against some notable defenders, including regular season and playoff numbers:
    Bowen: 50.2%/28.8 ppg/5.8 apg
    Paul George: 51.8%/26.4/5.9
    Deng: 49.8%/30.1/5.9
    Iguodala: 51.1%/28.5/7.3
    Sefolosha: 48.7%/30.8/6.6
    Battier: 48.8%/26.2/6.5 (Not including Lebron's most dominant years as they became teammates)
    MWP: 48.3%/26.8/6.5

    Career average: 49.1%/27.5/6.9

    So in conclusion, Kobe most definitely feasted on the weaker defenders and made up his scoring crown chase by chucking more, while Lebron seemed to be minimally affected.

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    but but who is MJ ?

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    there's nothing to compare that's favorable for Lebron..when you can tell me what legit defenders he's faced then we can talk..ohh wait I guess we'll never talk
    It was shown that Kobe Bryant struggled quite a bit against elite defenders (Bruce Bowen - 42.6%, Bell - 44.4%, Prince - 43.1%, Tony Allen - 42.4%, Battier - 43.3%), so I am not sure what this good defenders crap is supposed to mean. Kobe stunk against them, and Lebron didn't have as good a group of defenders (untrue), so Kobe is better? What the kind of logic is that?

    For comparison's purposes, Lebron's H2H against some notable defenders, including regular season and playoff numbers:
    Bowen: 50.2%/28.8 ppg/5.8 apg
    Paul George: 51.8%/26.4/5.9
    Deng: 49.8%/30.1/5.9
    Iguodala: 51.1%/28.5/7.3
    Sefolosha: 48.7%/30.8/6.6
    Battier: 48.8%/26.2/6.5 (Not including Lebron's most dominant years as they became teammates)
    MWP: 48.3%/26.8/6.5

    Career average: 49.1%/27.5/6.9

    So in conclusion, Kobe most definitely feasted on the weaker defenders and made up his scoring crown chase by chucking more, while Lebron seemed to be minimally affected.

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    Still waiting for Lakerfan to any of the facts in this thread.

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    all those stats dont change .....











    5>4

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    Still deflecting with tired ass arguments no one takes seriously but Lakerfan

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    Still deflecting with tired ass arguments no one takes seriously but Lakerfan

    sure, history remembers PER, and and stats vs defenders.. or does it remember winning? if thats the case, i guess timmy would be remembered for his miss vs an undersized defender TWICE, ray allens 3PT% etc, dont be salty son, after everything MJ is remembered for WINNING, Bird for WINNING, Magic for WINNING. you hang your hopes on stats because your down 5>4.. but you were so close.. 28 seconds tbh.

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    You have a point, but the advanced stats and metrics movement is only recent and it has changed the perception of many players all-time. Winning surely does matter, but you don't see Sam and K.C. Jones, Tom Heinsohn, or Robert Horry on anyone's GOAT lists

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    Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead
    Last 24 secondsKobe: 46 for 155 (29.7%)
    LeBron: 27 for 90 (30.0%)

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