According to Cheney “Canada is Too Dangerous”.

[pgardn]

thought the marines would go in and find the WMDs..he would be a hero...the american people would buy his imminent threat bull and legitimize the invasion of a sovereign country that never attacked us and hated Bin Laden and Al Queda.....didn't turn out that way...

So they invented the "well we got rid of Saddam." The stalwart we used against Iran. Quite strange, this evolving foreign policy.

[Nbadan]

So they invented the "well we got rid of Saddam." The stalwart we used against Iran. Quite strange, this evolving foreign policy.

I don't think it was evolving at all if you understand the Neocons..

Bush Doctrine

President Bush meets with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his staff at the Pentagon, August 14, 2006.

The Bush Doctrine of preemptive war was stated explicitly in the National Security Council text "National Security Strategy of the United States," published September 20, 2002. "We must deter and defend against the threat before it is unleashed . . . even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack... The United States will, if necessary, act preemptively."[60]

The choice not to use the word 'preventive' in the 2002 National Security Strategy, and instead use the word 'preemptive' was largely in anticipation of the widely perceived illegality of preventive attacks in international law, via both Charter Law and Customary Law.[61]

Policy analysts noted that the Bush Doctrine as stated in the 2002 NSC do ent had a strong resemblance to recommendations presented originally in a controversial Defense Planning Guidance draft written during 1992 by Paul Wolfowitz, during the first Bush administration.[62]

The Bush Doctrine was greeted with accolades by many neoconservatives. When asked whether he agreed with the Bush Doctrine, Max Boot said he did, and that “I think [Bush is] exactly right to say we can’t sit back and wait for the next terrorist strike on Manhattan. We have to go out and stop the terrorists overseas. We have to play the role of the global policeman. . . . But I also argue that we ought to go further.”[63] Discussing the significance of the Bush Doctrine, neoconservative writer William Kristol claimed: “The world is a mess. And, I think, it’s very much to Bush’s credit that he's gotten serious about dealing with it. . . . The danger is not that we’re going to do too much. The danger is that we're going to do too little.”[64]

[pgardn]

I don't think it was evolving at all if you understand the Neocons..

Bush Doctrine

Is Obama a neocon?
If this was a Republican with the continuous use of drones you would be singing a different tune.
And you know this.

[boutons_deux]

Is Obama a neocon?
If this was a Republican with the continuous use of drones you would be singing a different tune.
And you know this.

Another part of the shrub doctrine (I bet he doesn't know the meaning of the word) that set the MIC, always needing an enemy to justify its $700B+ year boondoggle budget, was his apolitical global war-without-end on terror, giving the President "war time" powers forever.

McLiar, Bishop Gecko, Obama, Hillary, etc woulnd't have, won't be able to restrain the MIC or the NSA/CIA/police/surveillance/corporatocracy, nobody can.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good grief...now I remember why I quit posting. This whole political forum has gone to pot. Sounds like nothing but Socialist propaganda.

you have to be kidding me. Both sides are well represented. Calling US liberals socialist speaks to you more than it does them.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it was evolving at all if you understand the Neocons..

Bush Doctrine

So one administrations unilateral preemptive gets to describe over 50 years of political history? Kissinger and Nixon say o.

Neocon has just turned into a catchall for GOP types that people do not like. It really has no ideological tenants anymore.

[boutons_deux]

So one administrations unilateral preemptive gets to describe over 50 years of political history? Kissinger and Nixon say o.

Neocon has just turned into a catchall for GOP types that people do not like. It really has no ideological tenants anymore.

McLiar, all the MIC, AEI, API, all the Repug/teabagging Muslim haters are all for "pre-emptive" bombing of Iran.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

McLiar, all the MIC, AEI, API, all the Repug/teabagging Muslim haters are all for "pre-emptive" bombing of Iran.

Are you trying to reinforce my point or what?

My point is that the necons of the 1960s are not nearly the same in policy decisions as they are 40 years later. Basically whatever the GOP hawks say suddenly is 'neocon.'

[pgardn]

Another part of the shrub doctrine (I bet he doesn't know the meaning of the word) that set the MIC, always needing an enemy to justify its $700B+ year boondoggle budget, was his apolitical global war-without-end on terror, giving the President "war time" powers forever.

McLiar, Bishop Gecko, Obama, Hillary, etc woulnd't have, won't be able to restrain the MIC or the NSA/CIA/police/surveillance/corporatocracy, nobody can.

So Obama has no control over the use of drones?

Again, if this was a Republican president you would have much more to post about. Fair and balanced Boutons.

[boutons_deux]

So Obama has no control over the use of drones?

Again, if this was a Republican president you would have much more to post about.

You Lie

Obama really disappoints me on lots of stuff, but it's all trumped by WH not being occupied by a ing Repug.

The American Corporate Imperial machine is unstoppable. The Class war has been won irreversibly, and you ers are too naive, hopeful, ignorant to face it.

[pgardn]

You Lie

Obama really disappoints me on lots of stuff, but it's all trumped by WH not being occupied by a ing Repug.

The American Corporate Imperial machine is unstoppable. The Class war has been won irreversibly, and you ers are too naive, hopeful, ignorant to face it.

Well I guess we just all kill ourselves.
You are so hopelessly lost in your dogma.

[boutons_deux]

"Well I guess we just all kill ourselves."

suit yourself

"You are so hopelessly lost in your dogma"

dogma? facts, straight facts, 1000s of facts

[pgardn]

You Lie

Obama really disappoints me on lots of stuff, but it's all trumped by WH not being occupied by a ing Repug.

The American Corporate Imperial machine is unstoppable. The Class war has been won irreversibly, and you ers are too naive, hopeful, ignorant to face it.

Irreversibly?

Facts? Is this one of your 1000s of facts?

Why do you even bother to post? the rich get richer, and it cannot be reversed. Fact

[boutons_deux]

Irreversibly?

Facts? Is this one of your 1000s of facts?

Why do you even bother to post? the rich get richer, and it cannot be reversed. Fact

The rich get richer FASTER in the last 35 years because they rigged the system, while the 99% stagnate or decline. The govt created the middle class and the VRWC has destroyed it.

[pgardn]

The rich get richer FASTER in the last 35 years because they rigged the system, while the 99% stagnate or decline. The govt created the middle class and the VRWC has destroyed it.

And it's irreversible.

Fact?

[boutons_deux]

And it's irreversible.

Fact?

yep, just watch this next decade to see if there are tax increases, loop holes closed, etc, for mega-corps and the 1%, if FIRE is regulated from high risk casino back to boredom, in parallel with severe cuts in the social safety net, SS cuts and COLA screwed up, and more union busting, while the corps and Repugs block govt health insurance public option.

the F500, FIRE, 1% have so much wealth AND political power now, Human-Americans' votes simply don't count.

[boutons_deux]

Reinventing The Dwindling Middle Class May Take A Revolution

Treat It Like A Revolution

Richard Longworth, a fellow at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, wrote a book about the struggling Midwest called Caught in the Middle: America's Heartland in the Age of Globalism. He says America's declining middle class means small towns are starting to have a lot more in common with crime-prone neighborhoods in big cities.

He also says towns like Lincoln need to realize this is not just about the recession. This is about a long, slow decline.

"The earth isn't going to open up and swallow them," he said. "They'll survive, but they'll be backwaters, getting ever more what you saw: shrinking in population, population older, young families not moving in, high school grads like yourself moving away to seek their fortune somewhere else."

Longworth says for communities to survive in this new reality, they'll have to reinvent themselves — try to keep the factory alive, attract people who are willing to work the lower-wage jobs.

Otherwise, what happens to towns like Lincoln will be just another episode in what he says is a major societal upheaval.

"I grew up in a middle-class America where we pretty much knew life was an escalator," he said. "You got on the bottom step, and if you behaved yourself, paid your dues, went to work, worked hard — you'd end up at the top of the escalator. And I think that escalator's broken now. It's a tougher scramble."

How to cover that upheaval, I ask?

"You've covered revolutions before," he said. "Treat it like just another damn revolution."

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/12/242999...e-a-revolution

[pgardn]

Reinventing The Dwindling Middle Class May Take A Revolution

Treat It Like A Revolution

Richard Longworth, a fellow at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, wrote a book about the struggling Midwest called Caught in the Middle: America's Heartland in the Age of Globalism. He says America's declining middle class means small towns are starting to have a lot more in common with crime-prone neighborhoods in big cities.

He also says towns like Lincoln need to realize this is not just about the recession. This is about a long, slow decline.

"The earth isn't going to open up and swallow them," he said. "They'll survive, but they'll be backwaters, getting ever more what you saw: shrinking in population, population older, young families not moving in, high school grads like yourself moving away to seek their fortune somewhere else."

Longworth says for communities to survive in this new reality, they'll have to reinvent themselves — try to keep the factory alive, attract people who are willing to work the lower-wage jobs.

Otherwise, what happens to towns like Lincoln will be just another episode in what he says is a major societal upheaval.

"I grew up in a middle-class America where we pretty much knew life was an escalator," he said. "You got on the bottom step, and if you behaved yourself, paid your dues, went to work, worked hard — you'd end up at the top of the escalator. And I think that escalator's broken now. It's a tougher scramble."

How to cover that upheaval, I ask?

"You've covered revolutions before," he said. "Treat it like just another damn revolution."

http://www.npr.org/2013/11/12/242999...e-a-revolution

So he says if, then revolution.
You say revolution because the current plight of the middle class is irreversible.
You agree with the Nazis on the board. Revolution due to corrupt corporations. They will add scape goats like you to the list of communist elements.

Good luck to all the extremists.

[boutons_deux]

So he says if, then revolution.
You say revolution because the current plight of the middle class is irreversible.
You agree with the Nazis on the board. Revolution due to corrupt corporations. They will add scape goats like you to the list of communist elements.

Good luck to all the extremists.

goddam, you're ed up.

[pgardn]

Oh yes.

Its me.

Look at a shiny surface.
But not too deeply.
It WILL not be pleasant.

[Nbadan]

9% approval for Congress in the latest polls....there needs to be a house cleaning of Congress..a revolution....but laws also need to be changed to so that real people have more pull than the corporate person-hood...corynism isn't just for the executive and legislative branches...

[pgardn]

9% approval for Congress in the latest polls....there needs to be a house cleaning of Congress..a revolution....but laws also need to be changed to so that real people have more pull than the corporate person-hood...corynism isn't just for the executive and legislative branches...

Real people would have more pull if they cared.
And actually had time to care.
Which is another story...

[Nbadan]

So one administrations unilateral preemptive gets to describe over 50 years of political history? Kissinger and Nixon say o.

Neocon has just turned into a catchall for GOP types that people do not like. It really has no ideological tenants anymore.

Netanyahu says o...don't full yourself.....of course the NeoCons are still around...just ask Joe Lieberman...

[boutons_deux]

Oh yes.

Its me.

Look at a shiny surface.
But not too deeply.
It WILL not be pleasant.

goddam, you're ed up.

[boutons_deux]

Real people would have more pull if they cared.
And actually had time to care.
Which is another story...

the SYSTEM won't propose enough progressive candidates like Sherrod Brown, Warren, Grayson, Merkley, Wendy D (slandered already as the Abortion Queen) to give people who care, esp in red states, someone to vote for.

And there will always be the few gerrymandered-safe Repug House reps and red state Senators, all financed by the Kockotpus, VRWC, UCA to block serious change required by America's serious problems. eg: watch the Repugs block hike in minimum wage, filibuster Dem federal judges, etc, etc