Pelicans: Pau Gasol tracker without Kobe

[ElNono]

Another double-double last night... 4 blocked shots...

MVPau

[spurraider21]

I didn't ignore advanced stats clown

Kobe had a higher plus/minus per 100 possessions than any player in the series

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9646

if it shows up on a yahoo box score, its not an "advanced stat" tbh

[Brazil]

Lakers fans won't ever respect a guy who gave the franchise two rings... ungrateful bas s.

They won't even see that this year MVPau is working for the future of the franchise by helping Lakers to tank properly. He doesn't give a anymore at least he is not trying which would up the tanking job.

You should build him a statue ers

[ambchang]

I didn't ignore advanced stats clown

Kobe had a higher plus/minus per 100 possessions than any player in the series

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9646

And with that, we know that David Robinson was the real Finals MVP in 2003. series leverage.

2010 vs. Boston.
Kobe had a +/- of +10, including an amazing net zero in Game 7, despite playing that epic 4th quarter FT assisted comeback run
MVPau had a +/- of +12, including a +7 in the deciding game 7.

[whitemamba]

dumb s still suckin paus , guy is garbage now..

[Brazil]

dumb s still suckin paus , guy is garbage now..

go kick his ass, he is working for your future

[Brazil]

too bad kobe will come back in record mode chasing to up MVPau tanking job

[ambchang]

too bad kobe will come back in record mode chasing to up MVPau tanking job

Kobe chucking = Lakers losing. It's pretty much the case forever now.

[Brazil]

Kobe chucking = Lakers losing. It's pretty much the case forever now.

yeah but he is still good enough to win some games against scrub teams that would the tank job imho

[Deuce Bigalow]

And with that, we know that David Robinson was the real Finals MVP in 2003. series leverage.

2010 vs. Boston.
Kobe had a +/- of +10, including an amazing net zero in Game 7, despite playing that epic 4th quarter FT assisted comeback run
MVPau had a +/- of +12, including a +7 in the deciding game 7.

Okay dude nothing I post will convince you. You have an excuse for everything
Actually thinks Pau was the MVP of the Lakers

btw how did MVPau do in Game 5, with the series tied 2-2?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Win shares tells us that Clyde Drexler was the Real Playoffs MVP for Houston in '95

-ambchang uses the stat prove Pau>Kobe

good job

[spurraider21]

it's not an excuse. it's a reason.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just looked up the +/- for the 2010 WCF. Pau had a higher +/- in 4/6 games

Despite Kobe averaging 34/7/8 on 64%TS

[Deuce Bigalow]

2010 Finals Game 5

Kobe- 38/5/4 on 48%FG/61%TS
Pau- 12/12/0 on 42%FG/45%TS

Kobe +/- -6
Pau +/- -7

So Kobe was only better than Pau by 1 point +/-?

seems legit

[DMC]

Lakers fans won't ever respect a guy who gave the franchise two rings... ungrateful bas s.

They won't even see that this year MVPau is working for the future of the franchise by helping Lakers to tank properly. He doesn't give a anymore at least he is not trying which would up the tanking job.

You should build him a statue ers

They on Magic and Shaq as well, and didn't give Kareem a statue even though he didn't contract HIV nor kill the owner.

[ambchang]

Okay dude nothing I post will convince you. You have an excuse for everything
Actually thinks Pau was the MVP of the Lakers

btw how did MVPau do in Game 5, with the series tied 2-2?

Win shares tells us that Clyde Drexler was the Real Playoffs MVP for Houston in '95

-ambchang uses the stat prove Pau>Kobe

good job

Of course I have said it time and again that ws in the regular season is the one to look at because it shows how a team was constructed. Ws in playoffs could be skewed by matchups and such.

As for game 5, so? Will the lakers be eliminated if they lost? It's not like its a game 7

[ambchang]

Just looked up the +/- for the 2010 WCF. Pau had a higher +/- in 4/6 games

Despite Kobe averaging 34/7/8 on 64%TS

2010 Finals Game 5

Kobe- 38/5/4 on 48%FG/61%TS
Pau- 12/12/0 on 42%FG/45%TS

Kobe +/- -6
Pau +/- -7

So Kobe was only better than Pau by 1 point +/-?

seems legit

Sort of shows how pointless kobestans points fetish is and proves the point. Doesn't it?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sort of shows how pointless kobestans points fetish is and proves the point. Doesn't it?

It shows how pointless +/- is

[Arcadian]

Lakers fans who are willing to criticize their star center when it makes Kirby look better

ing tools.

[Brazil]

They on Magic and Shaq as well, and didn't give Kareem a statue even though he didn't contract HIV nor kill the owner.

to be fair that's mainly Kobe fan boys not really Lakers fans...

[Brazil]

Lakers fans who are willing to criticize their star center when it makes Kirby look better

ing tools.

To be fair spurs fans do that all the time with their favorite player of the roster

[ambchang]

It shows how pointless +/- is

So you would rather have a player who scored 35 points but his team score 5 points less m than the opposition than a player who scores 15 points but his team out scores the opponents by 5 points when he's on the floor?

Okay.

[Killakobe81]

+/- is only useful for determining optimal lineup combinations.
They are useless in one off comparisons ...thought a stat guru like you would know this.
Not really more useful than simple scoring numbers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

So you would rather have a player who scored 35 points but his team score 5 points less m than the opposition than a player who scores 15 points but his team out scores the opponents by 5 points when he's on the floor?

Okay.

Because one player can control what his 4 teammates do and what the other 5 opposing players do...

[ambchang]

Because one player can control what his 4 teammates do and what the other 5 opposing players do...

A player can control the 9 players on the court because he scores a lot of points? I am not entirely sure where that logic came from.