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in or out of HOA is not as simple as you think, simpleton. school district, grocery, shopping, work commute, church, etc, all figure in.
You chose to move into an HOA neighborhood.
in or out of HOA is not as simple as you think, simpleton. school district, grocery, shopping, work commute, church, etc, all figure in.
Well of course. I just don't think finding a suitable home without HOA is as impossible as some here are making it to be.
you know what a false dilemma is right?
And you pay for those good areas that those communities are responsible.
Why are you guys trying to get subsidized by others?
Anybody wanna translate WC?
Anybody?
So how do you feel about property taxes? You like those? You up for increases in your area?
Government is bad when its from the people but when Dave the Developer and Alice the head of the HOA temp offer only that it's just rosy.
gmfb
You are a wonderful corporate minion for all of your claims of a libertarian lean.
This is the thing. If a developer wants to build a pool or running trails then it makes sense for communal action to share liability. OTOH when you have square mile after square mile of tract housing with premade HOAs tied to the deed then I cannot see how a 'libertarian' would be cool with that.
Those local schools and infrastructure are formed by the quality of people in the area. Those with "I want" at udes don't deserve what they don't help build.
WC, that statement literally makes no sense.
New communities are planned before the first foundation is laid.
And the riff raff is just going to bring down the quality of everything. How civilized are those kids of yours you want to put in those good schools that will be established?
Excuse me if I have a rather low opinion of the chronic complainers in these forums, but I do.
lol...and you are the arbiter of riff raff.
What a small man you've become.
No, just having fun torquing idiots here. I don't really consider you one of the idiots, but you do tend to hang with people who are obvious s bags here.
Six. Nice.
Let's sum it all up and go for 7.
You don't like HOA's.
You see no value in HOA's.
You don't think you should pay for HOA's.
You move into a HOA.
Did I ever tell you how high my opinion is of your stalking ability?
Creepy yet impressive, imo.
Neat.
I've lived in my house for nearly 15 years and have been on the board at times. We had a board that made mistakes and sent collections to attorneys that put thousands of legal fees on the bill for the delinquent home owner. We don't do that anymore. We don't send letters out, don't hassle home owners unless they're really screwing up. For parking violations and such, we just call the Bexar Co Sheriff to pay them a visit and tell them to clean it up or stop doing what they're doing. Far more effective than us sending them a letter. Basically, if it isn't against some county code violation, we don't mess with it and just leave people alone. We've even stopped messing with people over their lawns. It has to be reaaaally bad to get a letter. For the homes that aren't occupied and owned by a rentor or a bank, we just started having the people that mow the common grounds mow it, and send the owner/bank a bill telling them if they don't pay it we'll send it to the attorney's and it will cost them 200 x that and they always pay it.
We have it down to an art. We don't mess with anyone unless they're really messing up and generally, when they are, there's some sort of ordinance they're breaking so we just let the cops handle it. And it works.
And if you want to do something that violates the covenant, we tell 'em that if it's ok with your neighbors it's ok but if they sell and you get a new neighbor that doesn't like it, you'll have to comply. YOUR risk.
For past due fees, after it hits $500 we file a lien. When they sell they owe the $ plus interest. Out of 500+ homeowners, 12 are delinquent on their dues.
But man, let me tell you, we made some heartbreaking mistakes early on that cost people BIG and we swore we'd never do that again. The association is suppose to be on YOUR side.
Last edited by ErnestLynch; 11-16-2013 at 12:32 AM.
I've heard plenty of similar stories.
And I can move into your neighborhood, sold on your notion that your HOA has it all figured out, only to have a new board come in and ruin things in a very short amount of time.
What then is my recourse?
There are about 8 of us that have it clamped down with enough proxies to control it as far as the eye can see. We bring new people in, educate them on how it's done and why, and the mistakes we made. If it goes bad, we have the votes to remove anyone, and we have done it. About 12 owners control it all by consent of the majority. We went through some BAD times, and learned from it. And we put policies in place for the management company about using attorneys. What happened is we had a bad management company. THAT's where it went bad. Once we got a good one, and learned how to control them and set guidelines for them, as in, don't send collections to attorneys' without the consent of the board. If you do, we'll sue YOU. It can be done right with no risk of a 'bad board'.
Sounds great, but can you 100% fully guarantee that it won't go to in the next 25 years?
I believe the association expires after 30 years. Either way, the answer is 'no'. I can't guarantee anything. No one can. I think we have about 14 years to go then the HOA dissolves. Which, BTW, presents it's own set of problems.
And with that said, new developments, with new owners, new boards, people that don't know each other...is dangerous. Eventually you have to learn to work together but there can be growing pains with that. Eventually, and we go to area meetings of HOA's, a few homeowners get control of it. WHO that is, is very important. My advice is, knock on some doors and ask questions. No one likes the HOA so ...you'll have to be precise. What do they do if you you're in violation of xyz ? Do they sic lawyers on the members ? etc etc....how much are the fees....what am I responsible for....get a copy of the convenents and drive around and see if there are exceptions. Talk to a board member, ask 'who runs the place'. There's always a group that has taken power and runs the joint. Always.
Last edited by ErnestLynch; 11-16-2013 at 01:20 AM.
why is it a problem if it dissolves?
Because of the common grounds that someone will have to care for. Although, in reality, those are owned by someone, they are just outside of fenced areas in our case. The question is, will they care for it, or will your neighborhood look like crap ? Often that's what neighborhoods look like with no association. Nice house ...nice house...crap house...nice house...etc etc.
HOA's are designed to protect property values. You do realize that don't you ?
City ordinances are also designed to do that as well. Code compliance is there to do that as well as boutons mentioned already.
You yourself said you defer problems to the county.
I think voluntary HOAs are great. I think the current laws regarding mandatory HOAs are horrible.
I agree but there's ways around that. My brother bought a house, in a nice neighborhood, that has no HOA and all is fine. I'd prefer to be in the country, and I will get there one day, where I can howel at the moon and shoot in any direction with no worry. One day.
And by default, all HOA's are voluntary. They all have an out with enough votes.
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