Heat: How long can Lebron keep this up, tbh?..

[Killakobe81]

Shot selection is arguably the most important fundamental of all, imho.... you can have all the footwork in the world but if you play selfish basketball, ignore your teammates and chuck up bad shots, it doesn't mean much, tbh....

Its a flaw but 5 rings speaks volumes.

[Killakobe81]

5 rings is such a random number? How on Earth do people arrive at these ring counts? Once you win multiple, it becomes less important IMO. Especially when you have multiple MVP's and are in rare company with multiple MVP's/Finals MVP's in the same season.

Its not random kareem has 6 mj has 6 ...lebron has to get close 5 is ass close to 6 you can get ...he gets that close then maybe the other stuff will matter. MVP and finas mvp is spurlasnd bull . Because Malone/media robbed MJ or David beat Hakeem for regular season mvp does it change how great those championship seasons were? Especially when we watched dream on Robinson and MJ on Malone when it mattered most ...getting rings?!

[DMC]

2nd greatest SG ... Top 3 Laker ...

Way to dodge the question. Where does he rank all time in the NBA?

[DMC]

You're not accounting for the fact that centers are more valuable than guards/forwards. I will always take Wilt/Kareem/Hakeem/Russell/Duncan/Shaq over any small forward regardless of how good he is, simply because centers are more valuable.

That depends on what system you run. Some farm implements are more valuable than an Audi. Doesn't make it a better vehicle.

[DPG21920]

Its not random kareem has 6 mj has 6 ...lebron has to get close 5 is ass close to 6 you can get ...he gets that close then maybe the other stuff will matter. MVP and finas mvp is spurlasnd bull . Because Malone/media robbed MJ or David beat Hakeem for regular season mvp does it change how great those championship seasons were? Especially when we watched dream on Robinson and MJ on Malone when it mattered most ...getting rings?!

It is random. That's my point. People just do what they want with the rings. So now 4 rings isn't good enough, but 5 is? How on Earth do you arrive to that conclusion? Why would he not have to tie the 6 rings? Or beat them? Why is one short of 6 the magical number? Its arbitrary.

MVP's/Finals MVPs is not arbitrary "spurs fans stuff". They matter. Like rings, they are a part of the equation.

[Killakobe81]

Way to dodge the question. Where does he rank all time in the NBA?

Dude I have said that plenty on here. Haven't adjusted mine to account for Lebron. But nothing to hide I have him slightly ahead of Duncan however Tim is my Goat pf and makes my all time starting 5. Kobe is top 10 out of guys I have seen play ...borderline top 5 but I don't factor wilt oscar or Russell who ni never saw ..,otherwise he is lower.

[DMC]

Dude I have said that plenty on here. Haven't adjusted mine to account for Lebron. But nothing to hide I have him slightly ahead of Duncan however Tim is my Goat pf and makes my all time starting 5. Kobe is top 10 out of guys I have seen play ...borderline top 5 but I don't factor wilt oscar or Russell who ni never saw ..,otherwise he is lower.

So you put Lebron borderline top 5 and Kobe borderline top 5. That's all I needed to know.

[Killakobe81]

It is random. That's my point. People just do what they want with the rings. So now 4 rings isn't good enough, but 5 is? How on Earth do you arrive to that conclusion? Why would he not have to tie the 6 rings? Or beat them? Why is one short of 6 the magical number? Its arbitrary.

MVP's/Finals MVPs is not arbitrary "spurs fans stuff". They matter. Like rings, they are a part of the equation.

I think like amb said it will still be Mj even at 5 I just said he would need at least 5 to make that case. For me it would take 6. Bases on what I have seen and the points you made I would give it to him at 6 finals failure s and all ...but for most mj supporters he would need 7 and they would find some other reason like impact on the game ...or lack of compe ion.
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[Killakobe81]

So you put Lebron borderline top 5 and Kobe borderline top 5. That's all I needed to know.

Yep. But Lebron still has goat potential Kobe does not ...

[DMC]

Yep. But Lebron still has goat potential Kobe does not ...

Only a Lakers fan would put Kobe and Lebron at the same level.

[RsxPiimp]

I didn't read all that nonsense,

However, why does one superstar have to be exactly like another in order to be as good a player? That seems to be a general mental roadblock for many of you. Players have different strengths and weaknesses, and it's how they impact the game that matters, not how they match up stat for stat against another player. Only dip stat s like you who know jack about the game drag all that worthless into a discussion. Each player, James and Jordan, led their respective teams to championships. We know what Mike did, and James is still going. Kobe is done, so that's your main issue here (and the issue of a few other ty posters) to semen shield your fake ass hero and try to make him relevant by playing confirmation bias stat games.

The suckage here is at all time levels, dude, and that's due to being in the ing grave in Lakers land. You zombies need to get a grip.

Of course you read all that, you decided you can't come up with a decent rebuttal so in the end you decided to pretend you didn't read the very same facts you use (numbers, PER, efficiency) that makes a player a cut above the rest.

[DMC]

Of course you read all that, you decided you can't come up with a decent rebuttal so in the end you decided to pretend you didn't read the very same facts you use (numbers, PER, efficiency) that makes a player a cut above the rest.

What your stats don't take into account, you neophyte , is that Shaq commanded a double and triple team for most of his tenure with the Lakers, allowing Kobe free access to open shots and drives to the paint. No one in Miami demands a double team except Lebron. So where Kobe was benefiting from Shaq's dominance, Lebron is the dominant one and still manages to get numbers, just like Shaq did.

[Killakobe81]

Only a Lakers fan would put Kobe and Lebron at the same level.

LeBron is how many years behind Kobe? Fact that he is already considered as good or better than Kobe and in goat convo is amazing. You don't like Kobe. We get it. I have no issues with James.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What your stats don't take into account, you neophyte , is that Shaq commanded a double and triple team for most of his tenure with the Lakers, allowing Kobe free access to open shots and drives to the paint. No one in Miami demands a double team except Lebron. So where Kobe was benefiting from Shaq's dominance, Lebron is the dominant one and still manages to get numbers, just like Shaq did.

DMC is ing re ed and a joke to this forum

BRO STOP POSTING AND LEAVE LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD YOU STUPID !

[HarlemHeat37]

How did Kobe's name enter this discussion, tbh?..we're discussing the best player in the league and his attempt to make efficiency history, not a currently irrelevant player that is coming off a season where he was the leader of arguably the most disappointing team in the history of the NBA..relax..

[whitemamba]

Kobe. Who actually shot 40% in the finals and 30% twice on the biggest stage. LeBrons game 7s are much better than Kobe's.

how many game 7s has lebron been in and how many has kobe been in?

[LkrFan]

What your stats don't take into account, you neophyte , is that Shaq commanded a double and triple team for most of his tenure with the Lakers, allowing Kobe free access to open shots and drives to the paint. No one in Miami demands a double team except Lebron. So where Kobe was benefiting from Shaq's dominance, Lebron is the dominant one and still manages to get numbers, just like Shaq did.

There's two sides to that coin old chap. Kobe was no slouch during the 3-peat.

[DMC]

LeBron is how many years behind Kobe? Fact that he is already considered as good or better than Kobe and in goat convo is amazing. You don't like Kobe. We get it. I have no issues with James.

We? lol

Chill bro, your homerism and attempt to disguise it is duly noted.

[DMC]

There's two sides to that coin old chap. Kobe was no slouch during the 3-peat.

Of course, butter bar, what you didn't obviously get because you haven't asked a 1st shirt yet is that Kobe was free to roam while Shaq commanded double and triple coverage. Did that fly over your head like the last promotion, like the real officers out there jet jockeying?

[LkrFan]

Of course, butter bar, what you didn't obviously get because you haven't asked a 1st shirt yet is that Kobe was free to roam while Shaq commanded double and triple coverage. Did that fly over your head like the last promotion, like the real officers out there jet jockeying?

Their games were symbiotic. Luckily for Laker haters like yourself, Shaq's jealousy prevailed, and Kobe had to evict him, breaking up the greatest 1-2 punch in NBA history. Remember, you guys didn't do anything special to deal with Shaq. An aging Admiral, Kevin Willis, Oberto, etc. comes to mind. But for Kobe, you guys went out and got the premiere perimeter defender in the NBA: Bruce Lee Bowen. If Kobe is so beta, explain why no such provisions were made for the most dominant bigman this side of Wilt?

[DMC]

Their games were symbiotic. Luckily for Laker haters like yourself, Shaq's jealousy prevailed, and Kobe had to evict him, breaking up the greatest 1-2 punch in NBA history. Remember, you guys didn't do anything special to deal with Shaq. An aging Admiral, Kevin Willis, Oberto, etc. comes to mind. But for Kobe, you guys went out and got the premiere perimeter defender in the NBA: Bruce Lee Bowen. If Kobe is so beta, explain why no such provisions were made for the most dominant bigman this side of Wilt?

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games


2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games



2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games



Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=

Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage



2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=23 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

[hyhy]

Never the best player until he stops travelling every time he layups

[HI-FI]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games


2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games



2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games



Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=

Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage



2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=23 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

good .

LkrFan and other Kobe s will always throw Shaq and MVPau under the bus. Why I don't know. I think they coveted MJ for so long, getting a much tier, rapist version of MJ blinded them from the real MVPs of their teams.

[PlayNando]

LeBron has really stepped up the PED abuse in the last few years, tbh. Makes sense why he's doing better. Larger jaw + receding hairline = better stats.

[LkrFan]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games


2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games



2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games



Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=

Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage



2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=23 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

Great Shaq stats. It still doesn't answer my question though. Why didn't the Sp*rs make provisions to deal with him? They guarded him as a center by committee to let him get his. If need be, Pop would throw Tammy on him in a close game in the 4th.

I'm PO'd with Shaq for the above numbers you posted because he should have been able to sustain them for much longer than his fatass did. Instead he never reached his full (GOAT) potential. That's how he, like Tammy, ended up on the short end of the 5>4 schtick.