Food stamp cuts hit 9 million elderly and disabled people

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'd post some pics of UKrainian children in 1921 or the early 30's to depict what your ideal form of government is, but I'll be the bigger man here and refrain.

[vy65]

Still waiting to hear what posting all those pics of starving children accomplished ...

[DeadlyDynasty]

why on earth do you keep that job?

Because I'm good at it

[RandomGuy]

I'd post some pics of UKrainian children in 1921 or the early 30's to depict what your ideal form of government is, but I'll be the bigger man here and refrain.

I do not prefer totalitarian governments masquerading as communism, nor communism for that matter.

You can post them, but they would be irrelevant to what I think our government would look like.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd post some pics of UKrainian children in 1921 or the early 30's to depict what your ideal form of government is, but I'll be the bigger man here and refrain.

so right after the bolshevik revolution and during the great depression? bravo.

I also do not think that he is into Leninism or Stalinism or any other authoritarian communism. I cannot say that for sure though.

[RandomGuy]

Great, so explain your schema of personal responsibility. Please explain specifically how you hold people who are on welfare or are unable to support a family but who do have a family. In other words, what do you do with those people on or "near" welfare, who cannot financially support a family, but have one anyway? How are they held responsible for their actions?

So back to this.

You are a bit young, so you probably don't remember much about the welfare debates in the mid- to late nineties when the system was overhauled.

At that time, people who tend to think like you, and people who tend to think like me both agreed that adding in features to what is commonly called "welfare" to encourage personal responsibility was a good idea. I spent a good deal of time combing through the peer-reviewed research available at the time.

My schema is to simply offer help to those who need it, with means testing for income level, limited lifetime potential benefits, and other things.

I accept, and have fully noted, that some lazy s will abuse the system. I view this as a cost to be borne for helping those who really need it. The amount of assistance available generally does not provide more than a bare subsistence level living, so if people who are lazy want to live in that kind of misery, about all one can do is offer them job training, and if they want to improve their lives, they can.

Further, if you want to assert that this is a huge problem, then tell me what the scope of that problem is, with some definitions, solid evidence that is as objective as possible, and then we can find some public policy options that make sense in the real world.

What I will grant:
Useless s exist.
Some useless s get money from the government, and this enables them to be useless s, for as long as they want to.

What needs to be proven:
Exactly which programs give money to these people.
What percentage of funds go to these people.
How exactly do we identify these people.

If you want to change something, you need to have a concrete solution. I will assume you aren't serious about killing children by withholding food, and would prefer something else, although that is a tenuous assumption on my part.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still waiting to hear what posting all those pics of starving children accomplished ...

Do you still hold your view that US policy would be that food aid should be withheld even to children?

[DeadlyDynasty]

(Shrugs)

I have directly known some useless people, and some non-useless people that have drawn benefits.

Feel free to address my serious post at any time.

Define the problem, scope and magnitude. Identify who we need to kick off the rolls so we can help useful people.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

When I see it I'll address it.

[vy65]

Do you still hold your view that US policy would be that food aid should be withheld even to children?

Still waiting to hear what posting all those pics of starving children accomplished ...

[vy65]

So back to this.

You are a bit young, so you probably don't remember much about the welfare debates in the mid- to late nineties when the system was overhauled.

At that time, people who tend to think like you, and people who tend to think like me both agreed that adding in features to what is commonly called "welfare" to encourage personal responsibility was a good idea. I spent a good deal of time combing through the peer-reviewed research available at the time.

My schema is to simply offer help to those who need it, with means testing for income level, limited lifetime potential benefits, and other things.

I accept, and have fully noted, that some lazy s will abuse the system. I view this as a cost to be borne for helping those who really need it. The amount of assistance available generally does not provide more than a bare subsistence level living, so if people who are lazy want to live in that kind of misery, about all one can do is offer them job training, and if they want to improve their lives, they can.

Further, if you want to assert that this is a huge problem, then tell me what the scope of that problem is, with some definitions, solid evidence that is as objective as possible, and then we can find some public policy options that make sense in the real world.

What I will grant:
Useless s exist.
Some useless s get money from the government, and this enables them to be useless s, for as long as they want to.

What needs to be proven:
Exactly which programs give money to these people.
What percentage of funds go to these people.
How exactly do we identify these people.

If you want to change something, you need to have a concrete solution. I will assume you aren't serious about killing children by withholding food, and would prefer something else, although that is a tenuous assumption on my part.

So you don't believe that people should be held responsible for their decisions. You claim it as a cost of doing business.

Sweet. I'll keep footing the bill and doing more to impact people's lives and you can continue posting wiki articles and calling people nazis.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you still hold your view that US policy would be that food aid should be withheld even to children?

Well the pictures apparently accomplished you guys being too ashamed to even acknowledge that you siad it in the first place.

I have an idea! Why don't you guys go and edit out all those posts and then you can pretend like it never happened?

[RandomGuy]

When I see it I'll address it.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6955068

[RandomGuy]

So you don't believe that people should be held responsible for their decisions. You claim it as a cost of doing business.

Sweet. I'll keep footing the bill and doing more to impact people's lives and you can continue posting wiki articles and calling people nazis.

So you aren't serious about this?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you don't believe that people should be held responsible for their decisions. You claim it as a cost of doing business.

Sweet. I'll keep footing the bill and doing more to impact people's lives and you can continue posting wiki articles and calling people nazis.

If you are going to masturbate could you atleast do it elsewhere? It is unseemly.

And given your apparent skills in argument, I question your efficacy. You seem much more versed in pettiness and snark than making logical refutation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still waiting to hear what posting all those pics of starving children accomplished ...

Well the pictures apparently accomplished you guys being too ashamed to even acknowledge that you siad it in the first place.

I have an idea! Why don't you guys go and edit out all those posts and then you can pretend like it never happened?

[DeadlyDynasty]

It's not my job to provide food and shelter for other people's children. Doubly applies to foreign children. Does that mean they should be thrown in gas chambers? No, but the onus shouldn't be on me to foot their bill. I have my own bills and concerns I have to pay for.

[vy65]

So you aren't serious about this?

Serious about what?

About holding people responsible for their acts? For saying that certain children shouldn't be borne? For thinking that there needs to be severe consequences to peoples stupidity?

[vy65]

So you have no answer. Again.

I'm proud to be a member of the fuzzy fan club btw . . .

[DeadlyDynasty]

Serious about what?

About holding people responsible for their acts? For saying that certain children shouldn't be borne? For thinking that there needs to be severe consequences to peoples stupidity?

Their policy is to say "oh well, these re s are gonna anyways so just give them whatever they need."

Sorry, some accountability is long overdue.

[vy65]

If you are going to masturbate could you atleast do it elsewhere? It is unseemly.

And given your apparent skills in argument, I question your efficacy. You seem much more versed in pettiness and snark than making logical refutation.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, I really don't give a if you think I'm a good lawyer or not.

I'm not one of those 1800 abogados who does divorce, bankruptcy, or child support, so you'd never be a client of mine anyway.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not my job to provide for other people's children. Doubly applies to foreign children. Does that mean they should be thrown in gas chambers? No, but the onus shouldn't be on me to foot their bill. I have my own bills and concerns I have to pay for.

gmfb. your insistence on couching the policy discussion in terms of personal ethics is akin to people that conflate fiscal policy with a household budget.

[vy65]

Their policy is to say "oh well, these re s are gonna anyways so just give them whatever they need."

Sorry, some accountability is long overdue.

I'd be really curious to see what their tax bills look like, tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

gmfb. your insistence on couching the policy discussion in terms of personal ethics is akin to people that conflate fiscal policy with a household budget.

Fighting fire with fire in this thread...

[vy65]

Isn't RG like a 40 year old accounting student tbh?

[RandomGuy]

Well the pictures apparently accomplished you guys being too ashamed to even acknowledge that you said it in the first place.

Mission accomplished. I doubt either's family, if shown their words, would be overly proud of that sentiment. I chalk it up to internet hyperbole made all too easy by the impersonal nature of forums like this.

It says a lot to me, though, that neither has the courage to admit the statements were abhorrent and reprehensible, or to explicitly admit to what is obvious to anybody with common sense. It takes courage for that.