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No Bird?
We know who the number one power forward is, who's number two? At first I was thinking Barkley but now am leaning toward Malone.
No Bird?
Bird is a small foward, Im talking power fowards. McHale could be in the discussion but playing with Bird kind of lessens his impact.
Probably Malone. Had he been surrounded by a better supporting cast in his prime though it would be Garnett, dudes a s bag but holy was he dominant
Put Stockton next to Barkley or Garnett their entire career and they score more points than Kareem.
I have to go with Barkley.
i have always hated garnett's game. great player, but dude just was soft to me. 6'11, lengthy player that chose to shoot 18 footers his whole career. and don't give me this, "he's skinny" bull . it's easier to hit a 8-10 foot fadeaway than it is an 18 footer. besides, the nba got rid of hand checking a while ago. no excuse for his lanky ass not to be down deep on that block. also, david robinson was no bigger in mass than kg and he didn't spend a career shooting 18 footers.. that's the ONLY thing i hated about his game outside of him trying to bully people until they retaliated and he'd back off..
I can respect that opinion, but the dude was just such an animal defensively. He definitely didn't dominate down low like the typical dominant power forward but in his MVP season he was damn near unstoppable
yeah. he deserved mvp. also, in jordan's last all star game, in OT, he went to the paint every play when isiah thomas had vince carter holding him and slaughtered carter. that's the kg i would want on my team. not the kg that doesn't want the ball late or chooses to shoot 18 footers..
At peak performance, I'm going with 2004 Garnett.
I would take Barkley over Malone or Garnett.
We know who the No.1 all time PF is? you mean Dirk or Bird? Dirk and Bird both deserve to be mentioned before fatass chuck and Malone the thug, who belong in the class right below together with the likes of KG and C-Webb imho.
Duncan
KG
Barkley
Malone
Dirk
Sometimes i get the feeling that some of the posters here are a bit younger and their takes are therefore based on the era in which they came of age as fans. That is in no way intended as a slight towards anyone, it's natural. I became a huge NBA fan in the late eighties, and i have been ever since, but truthfully, there are very few stars, post Jordan era that could hold their own against the stars of the eighties and nineties, and that's especially true of bigs. For my money, Barkley was just amazing, versatile, tough, clutch, entertaining as , etc. He was, and always will be my all time favorite non-Spur( all my favs are current and former spurs cuz i suffer from an incurable case of homerism). Barkley just kicked ass, that is all there is to it.
Barkley because he was undersized compared to the others on that list
(and he was a fattie too)
His numbers were amazing; he could handle the ball, shoot 3's, was a great a passer, and muscled it up inside vs bigger men.
Not a great defensive player though
I also liked Larry Johnson before his injury
So we should reward Garnett for carrying bad teams to the lottery or a low playoff seed? By that logic, we should crown Robinson the best center of all-time since he carried bad teams to a top playoff seed. Playoff performance counts too and Garnett's numbers always seemed to drop from regular season to post-season.
Sometimes I get the feeling that old people remember things with rose tinted glasses and don't make accurate comparisons between older generations and younger because they refuse to believe that anything new is better.
Any team from the 80s except maybe the top 2-3 teams from each season would get absolutely slaughtered if they played in today's NBA. The League is by and large more athletic now than it's ever been at any point in it's history. Only the center position has eroded a bit, the other four positions are much better on average.
Most importantly, good teams play defense now for a full 48. Not for 5-10 minutes at the end of the game as was customary in the 80s.
It all really depends on whose rules we are using, now doesn't it?
Well, first of all, I'm not old, and secondly, i pride myself on objectivity. The truth is the argument about athletism is over stated, i see no difference between the super athletes of today, and Dominique Wilkens, Clyde Drexler, Shawn Kemp, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuan, kevin Johnson, Mitch Ricmond, etc, etc, etc, i can do this all day. I'm just saying, our perception is often based on timing. I truly believe that from top to bottom, the league was much tougher in those days, and as for PFs, Barkley thrived in those conditions. But, that said, I'll bet there is a guy older than me somewhere that could make a great argument for wes unseld, or Dave DeBusher and I'm sure they could make some excellent points. As far as the rose colored glasses go, music, movies, tv shows, clothes, sports and our still not quite socialist country, were all better in the 90s, dammit!!!!! Just kidding, kind of, Go Spurs.
Barkley checked guys bigger and more athletic than KG every other game.
Maybe, but Im also thinking that Malone gets an unfair lack of respect because of being teamed with Stockton. Malone had the foresight to use Stockton to his advantage by getting himself open underneath for easy slams, something Im not sure Barkley would do, and is there anyone better at finishing?
One more point, I saw the Jazz play the Spurs at the Alamodome with both Duncan and Robinson where the Jazz beat them easily. Reason being is that Malone just medium jump shot them to death. It was as boring a game as youll ever see but Malone made it that way because he made all of his shots, something he never used to be able to do. This showed how much will he had, a trait that I think he really is better at than Barkley and Garnett
Shoutout to Bob Pet
Barkley 100% imo
athleticism doesn't = greatness. there were tons of athletic athletes in the 80s and 90s. u now have rules implemented that make "superstars" impossible to stop. all kevin durant has to do is drive to the basket 10 times in the 4th quarter and he's shooting freethrows on 5 of those drives regardless of what happens. jordan's success was one of the worst things to happen to the nba, because when he retired, the league was looking for another "jordan" and trying to build up these wing players promoting them totally ignoring that from 99 to 2007, tim duncan and shaq played in every nba finals. there were too many athletic players in the 80s and 90s that aren't even discussed in nba circles. robert pack was never a superstar or top player but he was 6'2 and could jam that thing on anyone. darrel griffith. stacey augmon.. the list is endless. now i'm not saying these players were great, but having quickness and a 40 inch vertical leap doesn't mean you're a great player. in the 80s, you could handcheck(can't do that now). u could hit a player when he drives in with the body hard(that's a game suspension now). and u actually had CENTERS and power forwards that didn't shoot 3s for a living. back then, centers got dunked on, they didn't move out of the way because they were afraid to be on espn sportscenter. how often does lebron james dunk on centers? in the east u had the bucks(a very good team), celtics, pistons, and sixers. nique didn't have that much help on the hawks. in the west u had houston(before sampson's injuries took over), utah, lakers, portland(hit their stride in the late 80s), and the mavs. u really think the thunder would destroy the mavs of the 80s? and what would any frontline in the current nba do with hakeem and sampson with no handchecking? ibaka and perkins would foul out in the first quarter. haslem and bosh wouldn't have a prayer to help them.
not only that, u have a guy like bernard king(and i'm so happy he's finally getting his respect with the espn shows and hall of fame induction) that would lead the league in scoring without even shooting 3 pointers. for years i would talk to the college and high school kids about bernard king and they had to look him up on youtube hahah. more fundamentals back in the day. nowadays, everything is 3s and layups.the midrange shot is completely gone from the nba. that's why we were able to defeat the warriors last season in the playoffs. thompson and curry are so predictable. they would be damn near impossible if they shot more midrange, but hey, i hope they continue to jack up 3s and go for layups ignoring the midrings..
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