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thanks for making a simple stat like TS% into a ing dissertation. TS% is known to be advantageous to perimeter players
Spurfan seem to think Duncan is much more efficient than Kobe. I don't know where that came from but I don't expect them to be accurate. Let's look at the facts.
Efficiency from the field
-Includes 2-point field goals and 3-point field goals
-Effective field goal percentage factors in the 3-point shot which is worth more than the 2-point shot
Kobe's career season eFG%: 48.7
Duncan's career season eFG%: 50.7
Kobe's career playoff eFG%: 48.0
Duncan's career playoff eFG%: 49.9
Advantage - Duncan
There is another part of scoring that is not included from the field, and that is free-throw shooting.
Efficiency from the free-throw line
-Only one way to measure this is Free-throw percentage since every free-throw is worth 1-point
Kobe's career season FT%: 83.8
Duncan's career season FT%: 69.3
Kobe career playoff FT%: 81.6
Duncan career playoff FT%: 68.7
Advantage - Kobe
Now to tie everything together.
Conclusion
-To find out who is more efficient, you need to figure out the amount of attempts each player takes from the field and from the line. Once you get those numbers you multiply FGA by the eFG% and FTA by the FT%, then you divide by the FGA plus FTA.
Formula: ((FGA * eFG%) + (FTA * FT%)) / (FGA + FTA)
Kobe's regular season career: ((24301*.487) + (9468*.838)) / (24301+9468) = 58.54
Duncan regular season career: ((18295*.507) + (7747*.693)) / (18295+7747) = 56.23
Kobe's playoff career: ((4499*.480) + (1617*.816)) / (4499+1617) = 56.88
Duncan's playoff career: ((3512*.499) + (1611*.687)) / (3512+1611) = 55.81
Multiplying the FGA x 2 since they are worth 2x more points if made than a FTA
Formula: [2(FGA * eFG%)]+ (FTA * FT%)) / (FGA + FTA)
KOBE regular season: [2(24301*.487)] + (9468*.838)) / (24301+9468) = .936
DUNCAN regular season: [2(18295*.507)] + (7747*.693)) / (18295+7747) = .919
KOBE playoffs [2(4499*.480)] + (1617*.816)) / (4499+1617) = .922
DUNCAN playoffs: [2(3512*.499)] + (1611*.687)) / (3512+1611) = .900
More efficient player: Kobe
Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 01-15-2014 at 09:36 PM.
thanks for making a simple stat like TS% into a ing dissertation. TS% is known to be advantageous to perimeter players
Kobe is a better scorer than Duncan, I don't think anybody would deny that, tbh..
It would be interesting to compare Duncan's efficiency vs. the efficiency of similar bigs from 1999 to 2003 and Kobe's efficiency vs. similar perimeter players from 2006 to 2010(primes of both players IMO)..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 11-24-2013 at 03:36 PM.
Wow, that .500 thread really got Kirbystan nervous
having to crowbar in there FTA to make up the dismal shooting %
Melt down...
sup mamba... you've been pretty quiet this season, tbh
Well, it's not lookin to promising atm...sup mamba... you've been pretty quiet this season, tbh
Wgaf even if that stat favors Kobe. I hate stat based conclusion s
"He can dish it but he cant take it"
Wants to ignore freethrow shooting when it's part of efficiency is great logic...
Deuce u always bring the heat tbh..
What did I cherry pick you clown
Efficiency from the field - eFG% (factors in 3-pointers)
Efficiency from the line - FT%
Efficiency from the field + Efficiency from the line = Overall Efficiency
Not that hard to grasp
Duncan's more efficient from the field, Kobe is more efficient from the line, and when you factor in BOTH, Kobe is the more efficient player overall
Ok?
What did I cherrypick?
Let me repeat, in case you're still haven't noticed...
One more time...
You measure effiency with efficiency statsLet me repeat, in case you're still haven't noticed...
One more time...
So again I ask, what am I cherrypicking?
How are FT% and FTA "efficiency" stats?
lmao making up. If anything, they're shooting stats. But you won't go to raw FG% stats because Duncan demolishes Kirby with 9 seasons shooting 50%+ from the field vs zero (which makes sense comparing a big to a perimeter chucker, tbh)...
Also interesting you bring up "efficiency" but don't include defensive efficiency numbers... well, not really interesting when you're cherry picking, tbh...
Kobe's FGA's are not the same as Duncan's. Kobe's made at least a thousand more 3 pointers. Meaning that Kobe has at least a thousand field goals made that were worth 3 points instead of 2. Duncan has the edge on efficiency from the field by 3% in the regular season and 1.9% in the playoffs when you look at eFG%. But Kobe has a huge advantage on efficiency from the line, which gives him the edge when you factor in both the field and the line. Why do you need to factor in both? Because you can score from both the line and from the field.How are FT% and FTA "efficiency" stats?
lmao making up. If anything, they're shooting stats. But you won't go to raw FG% stats because Duncan demolishes Kirby with 9 seasons shooting 50%+ from the field vs zero (which makes sense comparing a big to a perimeter chucker, tbh)...
Also interesting you bring up "efficiency" but don't include defensive efficiency numbers... well, not really interesting when you're cherry picking, tbh...
FT% and FTA are efficiency numbers because it is their efficiency from the line. Are you a re ?
Nothing on defensive efficiency? No surprises there...
There's no need to cherry pick, tbh... As Harlem said, Kirby is the better scorer and much worse defender. Duncan is the superior player. There's already stats for that, tbh...
Career OWS
- KB: 123.8
- TD: 90.7
Career DWS
- TD: 94.2
- KB: 49.5
Career WS:
- TD: 184.9
- KB: 173.3
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