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    It seems the early reaction from Laker fan is not good. So now not only will they have difficulty winning, but they are turning on Kobe at the same time. There are already a decent amount of people calling out Kobe for just wanting to chase scoring records and not caring about winning.

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    Wow

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    Melo will be a Laker.
    I f'n hope so.

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    Kobes going to go for scoring record while getting paid a load of money.

    Great for him. You think he really cares about a sixth championship?

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    Which ever way you spin it, bottom line is that Kobe has effectively ruined the Lakers for another 2 years atleast. Slow death, that's the worst thing that can happen to a ball club nowadays.

    In comparison, Duncan is making 9 mil and i can pretty much guarantee that Dirk will not sign up for more than 10 - 12 mil/yr.

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    Bruno - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..
    The max extension Kobe could have received was $66.4M/2 years ($32M in 14-15 and $34.4M in 15-16). So, he took a "paycut" compared to the max extension he could have received.

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    Melo will be a Laker.
    Soooo Melo and Kobe are the 2014 FA Splash plan.

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    Soooo Melo and Kobe are the 2014 FA Splash plan.
    I can see it. By the looks of things, it's shaping up to be exactly that.

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    To give Laker fan perspective, Lakers (if these Kobe contract numbers are true) will have 23M in cap space next year.

    They will have:

    Kobe: 23M
    Nash: 9.7M
    Sacre: 915K

    Plus a bunch of cap holds for a total available pay roll of: ~23M. What are the options:

    1) Sign Melo to a max deal and fill out the other 8 roster spots with minimum level players. In this scenario, that means Pau is gone.

    2) A guy like Melo takes a big enough pay cut (just guessing on what Pau would want) and accept about 13M. That would leave 10M for Pau to re-sign and then they would have 7 spots to fill at league minimum salaries.

    3) Sign Pau for 10M, then a few cheaper players at about 7M each. They would have Kobe/Pau/Nash/Sacre then two 7M type players. That would be 6 players under contract and 6 spots to be filled at league min.

    4) Let Pau walk, don't target a max guy like Melo, and spend the 23M on cheaper guys to fill out the roster.

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    I can see it. By the looks of things, it's shaping up to be exactly that.
    Well, that only hurts Kobe's quest to get more points. So I can't see him signing off on that.

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    Which ever way you spin it, bottom line is that Kobe has effectively ruined the Lakers for another 2 years atleast. Slow death, that's the worst thing that can happen to a ball club nowadays.

    In comparison, Duncan is making 9 mil and i can pretty much guarantee that Dirk will not sign up for more than 10 - 12 mil/yr.
    Thats why those guys will always be the greats.

    Kobe is always associated with a selfish chucker. Dudes career is practically over and he is killing his team. I'm glad he is because the lakers, but I can still acknowledge that it is wrong.

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    The max extension Kobe could have received was $66.4M/2 years ($32M in 14-15 and $34.4M in 15-16). So, he took a "paycut" compared to the max extension he could have received.
    Thanks - I thought it was somewhere along those lines, but did not know the exact numbers. So he took about a 25% pay cut from the max he could have received, but his "discount" really didn't do much for the Lakers chances.

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    This is a much better deal than I had expected. I believed a 3yr 100m contract was the most likely scenerio.

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    Well, that only hurts Kobe's quest to get more points. So I can't see him signing off on that.
    He didn't want Mike Brown and that still happened. Just sayin.

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    He didn't want Mike Brown and that still happened. Just sayin.
    You could sell Kobe on Brown because ultimately Kobe knew he could manipulate him. Melo is a different story and is a direct threat to his shot count. Brown was not.

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    It seems the early reaction from Laker fan is not good. So now not only will they have difficulty winning, but they are turning on Kobe at the same time. There are already a decent amount of people calling out Kobe for just wanting to chase scoring records and not caring about winning.
    I Think realistic fans were hoping for $15 mill - $20 mill max.
    Fans preaching that kumbaya were hoping $12-15 mill ...

    I think $24 is excessive and not smart by the FO. For Kobe of course it's smart from a bizz sense ...Tim & Dirk took less and have no rings to show for it since.
    Lebron took less and I commend him for it, but he had not rang.

    I blame our front-office MORE than Kobe ...but it does bring me to question where his priorities lie ...

    Also no quality FA's left to pursue ...so in some ways Kobe is allowing us to waste cap money on him then some other overpaid star ...

    Either way urggggh!

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    Kobe gets his money, gets a crappy team where he shoot for the scoring record without hesitation, and let the media blame it on the other players and Mike D because Kobe is a "warrior."

    To be fair to Kobe, he probably's figured out that the Lakers won't be contenders during his remaining years so money and points are the next best thing.

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    glad to see the mamba is stayin in purple and gold.

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    You could sell Kobe on Brown because ultimately Kobe knew he could manipulate him. Melo is a different story and is a direct threat to his shot count. Brown was not.
    Who else will be out there that they could realistically get? Like star wise?

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    Bruno - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..
    could have made more. this CBA as well as the NFL's has a clause where you can either make
    a) x dollar amount based on years played
    b) a certain percentage of a raise on your previous salary

    whichever is higher. in this case for Kobe, the higher figure was obviously choice B. he was theoretically eligible for a raise on his previous average salary

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    I Think realistic fans were hoping for $15 mill - $20 mill max.
    Fans preaching that kumbaya were hoping $12-15 mill ...

    I think $24 is excessive and not smart by the FO. For Kobe of course it's smart from a bizz sense ...Tim & Dirk took less and have no rings to show for it since.
    Lebron took less and I commend him for it, but he had not rang.

    I blame our front-office MORE than Kobe ...but it does bring me to question where his priorities lie ...

    Also no quality FA's left to pursue ...so in some ways Kobe is allowing us to waste cap money on him then some other overpaid star ...

    Either way urggggh!
    Killa, explain to me Fredo and Kupcake's reasoning for not waiting until Kirby played a game first before giving up on the next two questions. Serious question tbh.

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    I don't think Mitch really had a choice.

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