14 games is not a bad sample... Dia aggressiveness by the numbers
in 2014
24 mn PG
9 FGAs
4 reb
11 PPG
in 2013 after 15 games
24 mn PG
4 FGAs
3,6 reb
6 ppg
First, Pop probably the greatest at managing pt, Diaw is playing the same exact number of mn per game than last year.
Second his APG is slightly below 2013 and his rebounding effort is about the same.
FGAs increase is quite impressive from 4 to 9 more than the double, FG% is decreasing obviously but still a solid 0.54. I'll take 2014 9 FGAs at 0.54 clip vs. 2013 4 FGAs at 0.61 twice a week and the week-end.
Diaw has been quite consistent all year in 2013 - 2014 between 4 and 5 FGAs with an increase in April to 6 FGAs PG.
ATM we are on a solid buy, hope Boris will keep up.
I've been really happy with how Boris has responded to the loss last year. He said it changed him and we can see the evidence everyday. My pet spur, rockin out. Love his bbiq and his intelligence.
I must be coming down with Boris-itis or Blair's Syndrome; every time I see someone say "bbiq" I think bbq and get hungry.
Oh man and it's lunch time for me, how perfect. I know what I'm getting. Messy fingers. Blair's Syndrome...Lmao. that needs to be a thing.
Stop bringing up Ginobili. This is a Diaw thread!
I wish he would get a few more rebounds while he was on the floor but I have been very impressed with his play this year.
I agree it would help the team
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I thought I already posted in this thread but apparently not. I'm buying on Diaw's aggressiveness. I think he'll have some relapses throughout the season which will cause this thread to get bumped, but I think Diaw will bring it in the playoffs.
I think he has the green light this year which is a good thing.. He's not always looking to defer.
Its just the inner green light he seems to have. Pop always wanted him to shoot more and be aggressive offensively, but Boris just was more into passing the ball before ...
Buy. Contract year baby!
Looks like Diaw's been able to keep up the aggressiveness and still has an impressive FG% too. 3pt shot is still not there but it's not to have an additional scorer the other team's going to have to worry about who can pass well too. Eventually it should pay off and open up the floor for other guys more.
His offensive rating was always good though (2nd highest of his career each of the past two seasons and top 5 on the team in fact), so him "stalling the offense and putting other players in ty positions" didn't impact the team negatively from a statistical standpoint (aka how many points the Spurs scored when he was on the floor).
His offensive rating is actually worse this year despite him shooting more and has dropped to 8th on the team. Taking the shot yourself isn't always best for the team even if you make it fairly often.
His usage % is 9% higher than last year, which is a historically large increase, tbh..generally speaking, your offensive rating takes a hit with increased usage and minutes, especially with such a large discrepancy..
Can't compare the offensive rating of a 21% usage player to a 12% usage player, tbh..
In the playoffs, Diaw had a 12% usage rate with a 107 offensive rating, which was pretty terrible compared to the team's production vs. players' usage ratings, tbh..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 11-27-2013 at 10:46 AM.
107 is one point worse than his 108 this year.
His minutes and USG% are irrelevant to the debate actually because the debate is that he wasn't detrimental to the team because he passed up shots (as is reflected in his offensive rating). His USG% is only up because he's shooting the ball a lot more. That's literally the point. . . His minutes are also almost the exact same. Only up 1.4.
Despite taking and making shots, his offensive rating is actually lower. Like I said, sometimes just because a guy can hit shots doesn't mean it always helps more in the grand scheme.
I'm glad he's more aggressive and giving us an extra option, but the point is that he wasn't actually hurting the team in any way by passing the past two seasons. We still scored even better than we do now when he was doing that.
I agree with you that ORating tends to go down with increased minutes (minutes same here though) and of course with increased USG%, but again that's the point. Either way, I ain't saying he's bad this year since he's not, just that he wasn't harmful to the team the past two seasons by being passive.
The conclusion doesn't pass the eye test. He was far from being a liability last year, obviously but he was passing up open shots for, sometimes, a useless pass not bringing anything else to the offense making things more difficult for the others. The fact that his team mates somehow compensated and his ORating didn't change don't hide the issue. His assists per game are the same this year than last year, so the fact he is shooting more is not detrimental to his contribution to ball movement.
As already mentioned I prefer Diaw at 11 ppg at 0,54 than 6 ppg at 0,61.
His assists aren't the same. Last year he got 2.4 assists and only 1.1 turnovers, this year 1.8 assists and 1.5 turnovers. Your rounding has glossed over the fact that he had 33% more assists last year. It's "just" 0.6, but that's still a 33% difference.
You can argue all you want about his passing not making a difference, but like I said, what he did was clearly not detrimental to the team's offense statistically as was suggested. He didn't need to take a bunch of shots because most of his teammates were better scorers. I'm glad he's more aggressive now, but him passing instead wasn't causing any ill effects. Most of the shots he passed on were threes which he isn't that good at anyway.
The "eye test" is one of the worst forms of measurement known to man. I can either use my eyes or I can use a measuring tool. If I only use my eyes, I'm never going to be entirely accurate. If I use a tool, I will be (as long as it's the right tool, which in this case it is). The only reason to only use just your eyes is if you don't have a tool available to measure for you (but in this case we do). You can't just ignore the facts after they've already been measured just because they don't support your observational opinion bro.
You're a tool.
first of all I was comparing the 14 first games this year vs 14 or so games last year, so except I made a mistake I was not rounding anything just check my post.
Then for your last part so now stat tells the whole story... That's new to me tbh.
Manu is grabbing more rebounds as avg than Boris with the same minutes on the court... so sell
Well he might have relapsed into mental midget status, was not aggressive all night but instead pump faked his way out of open shots.
regressed a little tonight, but was still pretty decent. that three at the end was like...NOW you make it?
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