well what is practice for? jason kidd coulnd't shoot to save his life when he got to the league. almost 20 years later he's 3rd all time in 3 point field goals. (he's still not a GREAT shooter, but he shoots a of a lot better than he did in dalls and phoenix in the 90s). jordan wasn't a great shooter when he got to the league. neither was grant hill. repe ion, muscle memory.. tiago splitter's freethrows got better last season. so yes, these things can happen over the course of a summer. he's an nba player. it's his job to work on his game 24/7. you're on the 3 pont line, man runs at u, u put the ball on the floor and go past him. larry bird, as slow as he was, made a living out of doing that. u want me to believe larry bird was faster than danny green?
And Green can't? ironically a couple of seasons ago he stole an inbound pass and took it coast to coast for a dunk that sealed a win against OKC at OKC. It was the last time we won in that building.
neither can dribble very well. Leonard is a can be better the defender of the two (when focused) but Green is the superior shooter.
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Those examples were of shooting the ball. Kidd still (in his 2nd Dallas stint) would literally pass up wide, and i mean 5-7 feet of space, 3pt shots. Some of that is simply playing long enough and shooting well enough to finish amongst the elite. He isn't even a top 10 3pt shooter in about any ones book but ranks 3rd in league history in total 3's.
None of those examples of a player actually learning how to improve his handles 5 seasons in the league and attack the heart of a defense. There's a difference from a few dribble drills, and up faking a defender and driving while 3 defenders are in the area and finishing above or maneuvering through them to the rim. Green has at least become better at pull up jumpers after an up fake.
Its shocking how many people expect so much more than his salary. He is a 3 and D player who is among the best in the league at the role and getting paid slightly below market value for his services. Surprise, Surprise, its not good enough for ST.
Or a poster who can't write but can "relieve history".
You guys have really warped senses of expectation if you're this pissed that a mere role player didn't all over the best team in the west that isn't our team.
So what if he doesn't have great handles? The do you expect from a very low salary role player that defends well and has the best 3pt% in the history of the Spurs franchise? Danny Green is excellent for what he costs and if you wanted a better player than him that can handle the ball well and shoot and defend like him it would cost several times as much. Those dudes are called "stars", which Danny Green isn't.
If Green could handle the ball that well and finish at the rim and he'd probably be getting 15m a year somewhere. Quit ing about our best role players and acting like they're supposed to do the job our higher salary SGs aren't doing. Green isn't paid to be one of our best players, he's paid to do what he normally does.
Dude is 9th on the all time career 3pt% list in NBA history and climbing, takes and makes a lot of them per game (not just some 8 minute specialist like Bonner), D's up well, and is paid next to nothing. Stop whining about the times Danny Green doesn't do well. He isn't meant to carry a team.
Green is the Spurs'all-time leading three-point shooter by percentage. He's also posting the highest defensive efficiency on the team. I don't think people realize how much Green had been dominating his match up this year.
you found stuff like that that has been corrected over and over but no... tiago was a bad FT when he arrived and he worked and improved...when in fact it is Tiago has always been an ok FTs shooter during his carreer and had an off year when he arrived. He is just now shooting what he was shooting his whole carreer
i don't expect him to be michael jordan or dwade, i expect him to be able to pump fake, drive to the basket and make a layup.is that too much to expect from someone that played high school, 4 years of college at one of the top universities ever, and is currently playing nba basketball? and i'm not trying to on you, i'm being serious. he's paid to play basketball. it's his job. he's a 2g. jj red does it and i don't think red is better than green overall. gary neal does it. he did it in game 5 of that memphis series a couple years ago when he tied the game up on that 3 pointer. pump fake, go around defender, and shoot the ball. why is this hard to master?
You guys defending Danny Green are pathetic. He is beyond awful at simple basketball fundamentals such as dribbling a basketball inside and finishing at the rim. I can guarantee you there's a D-League player, which Danny Green was, that can do that AND some more as well as shooting a high percentage from 3. I'm Tired of seeing this guy jumping 6 feet in the air past his man. This guy doesn't deserve the credit he's getting, and that Finals performance was a damn fluke, see games 6 & 7. If we don't improve somehow via trade or buyout we're not going to the Finals, and it's as simple as that. We need another guy who can create his own shot, and no it doesn't have to be an All-Star. There are role players capable of this skill. However, Kawhi also needs a backup. I hope the inability to sign needs didn't prematurely determine the fate of our season. Omri Casspi would've been the perfect backup for Kawhi but what do I know. I know that if we don't shake up this roster we're doomed. I know that much.
You should probably change your name to Spursince#13, you don't understand the value of 3-and-D players to the Spurs' past les.
You also should learn about the game so that you understand that Green jumping at his man to make him settle for a long two instead of a three is actually the smart play. It's what players have been doing to him this year, and it's what's making Danny struggle offensively.
No offense but you're dumb as . Where in that post does it hint to you that I know nothing of a 3 & D player? Danny Green is NOT the only capable 3 & D player in the NBA or the D-League. You're also dumb because you're defending him for jumping 6 feet in the air when in actuality, if you ever really played basketball you'd know you allow 3 inches of room so you don't foul and so your man don't drive and kick with a 5 on 4 advantage which STILL leads to an open 3. You're also dumb because you're defending it when he was jumping 6 feet in the air when his man WAS INSIDE OF THE 3-POINT LINE!!!. Go watch some film and learn some basketball fundamentals.
For those who still don't seem to grasp the concept of what Danny Green is good despite the lack of handles, let me put it to you this way:
Of all the backup roleplayer SGs there are in the NBA who can handle the ball and finish at the rim as well as you wish Danny Green would. . .how many of them shoot threes like like and defend as well as he does too?
The correct answer is "nobody". You don't get all three at a semi high or very high level out of a role player. The players who can do all that at once are stars and they get paid far more than Danny Green does. Danny Green is not a star. Stop expecting low salary role players to play like stars because you're just always going to be pissed and disappointed for the rest of your life due to delusional expectations.
Green is doing a fine job in his role which is to defend and hit threes. He is basically the SG version of Bonner. if Bonner was a lot more athletic, actually a good defender, and could hit threes with guys in his face too, not just while wide open. Only he's cheaper. Think about it. How is that a bad thing?
In terms of salary to production ratio, he's arguably #1 on the team. You should be glad he's as good as he is, not be ing he doesn't do more. Your guys' complaints are very misguided and being directed at the wrong players imo.
Meh I'd much rather have a subpar 3 point shooter who can defend as well as drive and finish at the rim. In this offense he'd have much better looks which will most likely boost his percentages especially if he has the capability to drive to the rim.
Oh yeah and btw, Danny Green is the slowest guard I've ever seen moving laterally and that's WITHOUT the basketball. He really lacks much needed athleticism.
As I said, you need to learn about basketball. Green made the right play by closing out. You want them to dribble past you and take a low-percentage two over a corner three. A soft hedge still allows a shot. Obviously, Green isn't jumping six feet in the air, so stop questioning anyone's intellect. He was closing out after covering the lane. That's what you have to do in that situation. If he sticks three inches from his man like you suggests he can't help in the paint.
Green isn't the only 3-and-D player in the league, but he may well be the best. He also has great lateral quickness, which allowed him to shut down Jackson in the fourth. It's like you're looking for dumb things to say.
I would go back and forth with you but it's clear you've never played organized basketball before in your life. Continue to watch from your couch. Like how on earth could he help in the paint when he's taken himself out of the play by dramatically jumping at his man? Lol carry on.
Idiot. He helped in the paint BEFORE the pass to the corner. That's why he had to close out. It's not like Green jumped past his man as he brought the ball up the court. Do you even know what a drive-and-kick is? The driver drives into the lane, forces help from the corner, and passes to the open man. In the cases you're talking about, Green had to recover because he was helping on Westbrook's penetration. That's what he has to do. In fact, Green gets most of his shots due to his man helping on Parker's penetration.
Didn't see it mentioned but apparently, Scott Brooks thinks a lot more of Green than most posters here. He covered him with Thabo, even when Tony was in the game. That's a poison he will have to pick in the playoffs. If he really tries to cover Tony with Westbrook, Tony could go absolutely wild.
Happened with Memphis and Allen and with Golden State and Thompson. If teams continue to do that and Leonard becomes consistent offensively, teams won't be able to hide players like Harden and Curry either.
Kindly provide a list of these players in the D-League.
A player like that alongside Parker would be an epic waste of floor spacing. The opposing team could pack the paint since at that point the only 3pt shooter on the floor in the starting lineup would be Leonard who is very streaky from three. Then Duncan, Splitter, and Parker have a harder time scoring because one of the wings sucks from three and the other is just decent.
It's a pretty delicate balance. Two bigs, two 3pt shooters, and one ballhandling/slasher (Parker). When you go two slashers, two bigs, one 3pt shooter. . .it just doesn't work nearly as well.
Trust me, Green is an excellent fit. It'd be nice if he could handle the ball better and slash, but as I said. . .if he could he'd probably be getting paid somewhere in the realm of 8-12 mil, not 3 1/2m. He is great for his pricetag. Literally one of 5 players I would deem untouchable if I was the GM of the Spurs. Cost to performance ratio is more important than performance alone man. Especially for a team with a limited budget like the Spurs. You gotta think a little bit bigger.
The goods. The Spurs continually get guys on less than MLE deals that have PERs that hover around 15, which is the NBA average. The MLE is the NBA average salary, so they get more production that they pay for.
Green is fine. OP, it's November.
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