Were the Spurs ungrateful with Gary Neal?

[DMC]

Don't try so hard guys..there'll always be a place fer white dudes in the NBA.... Relax

Yep, like owners.

[Chinook]

I think it's more that people are using Neal's stats on a worse team to justify their general lack of appreciation for what he did over the last three years. Neal balled hard with the Spurs. Beli is playing like we all wished Gary could. But Neal had a lot of good games in San Antonio, even out of position as a point-guard. He deserves an honest evaluation, not just one that points out the bad. It's not like he became a cancer like Jack.

Also, it's not clear that signing Beli was the ideal move, especially to those who believe Kirilenko would have come to the Spurs for the MLE. It's working out great so far, and I hope it continues, but there may come a time when we wish they had AK and Neal over Beli and Ayres (although I actually like Jeff a lot).

[PlayNando]

The Bucks suck. They have very few guys that can penetrate off the dribble, just about all shots taken are from outside the paint, and he certainly isn't getting the kind of open looks like he was getting in San Antonio because the Bucks don't move the ball around like the Spurs. It's not all that shocking that his field goal percentage has taken a dive.

Excuses, excuses. Anyone who can't hit 40% from the field is a fkn scrub. He's a chubby chucker.

[Sean Cagney]

Hoops, bottomline, Marco is a better fit for the Spurs. Neal was a good role player when he was here but Marco is a better role player. Why? Because of his bbiq, his passing, his court vision, his defense in relation to Neal's nonexistent defense.

Period end of story, don't care what Hoops has to say either what you said and what some others said in here is truth, period.

I think it's more that people are using Neal's stats on a worse team to justify their general lack of appreciation for what he did over the last three years. Neal balled hard with the Spurs. Beli is playing like we all wished Gary could. But Neal had a lot of good games in San Antonio, even out of position as a point-guard. He deserves an honest evaluation, not just one that points out the bad. It's not like he became a cancer like Jack.

Also, it's not clear that signing Beli was the ideal move, especially to those who believe Kirilenko would have come to the Spurs for the MLE. It's working out great so far, and I hope it continues, but there may come a time when we wish they had AK and Neal over Beli and Ayres (although I actually like Jeff a lot).

I would hope not. BTW how is AK working out for the 4-12 Nets? I bet he is happy he went there huh? Ayres do not even bring up as this is Neal or Belli, which so far I DO NOT MISS NEAL AT ALL! He was alright here but took too many dumb shots outside of the flow of the game and his D was awful! If he was hot he was hot but if not his shot selection was bad and his D bad. He was good for what he was which is a volume shooter only.

[HI-FI]

Period end of story, don't care what Hoops has to say either what you said and what some others said in here is truth, period.I would hope not. BTW how is AK working out for the 4-12 Nets? I bet he is happy he went there huh? Ayres do not even bring up as this is Neal or Belli, which so far I DO NOT MISS NEAL AT ALL! He was alright here but took too many dumb shots outside of the flow of the game and his D was awful! If he was hot he was hot but if not his shot selection was bad and his D bad. He was good for what he was which is a volume shooter only.

that's been the biggest reason I thought Beli would be a better fit than Neal. Just higher BBIQ and better flow. Everything is moving so much better with Beli and he hasn't even been here that long. I appreciate Neal at times but when his shot wasn't falling, it was ugly out there.

[Chinook]

Period end of story, don't care what Hoops has to say either what you said and what some others said in here is truth, period.I would hope not. BTW how is AK working out for the 4-12 Nets? I bet he is happy he went there huh? Ayres do not even bring up as this is Neal or Belli, which so far I DO NOT MISS NEAL AT ALL! He was alright here but took too many dumb shots outside of the flow of the game and his D was awful! If he was hot he was hot but if not his shot selection was bad and his D bad. He was good for what he was which is a volume shooter only.

Ayres and Beli are linked in the sense that the Spurs had to use the MLE to sign Beli and really didn't have enough money to do anything but sign a player like Ayres. They had Neal's Bird rights. So it's not just a matter of who's better; it's a matter of whether Beli is so much better that he was worth taking away a chance to sign AK or Brewer. It looks like he is, but maybe that will change. It's still a long season.

[Sean Cagney]

Ayres and Beli are linked in the sense that the Spurs had to use the MLE to sign Beli and really didn't have enough money to do anything but sign a player like Ayres. They had Neal's Bird rights. So it's not just a matter of who's better; it's a matter of whether Beli is so much better that he was worth taking away a chance to sign AK or Brewer. It looks like he is, but maybe that will change. It's still a long season.

Time will tell indeed but as of right now it looks like Belli is a good fit as of right now for the team. Ayres is just a spare IMO and will get possibly better but Belli and resigning Splitter last offseason was key!!!! PERIOD.

[Hoops Czar]

that's been the biggest reason I thought Beli would be a better fit than Neal. Just higher BBIQ and better flow. Everything is moving so much better with Beli and he hasn't even been here that long. I appreciate Neal at times but when his shot wasn't falling, it was ugly out there.

How can someone quantify BBIQ? It's way to early to say things are flowing better with Beli because so far the Spurs haven't lost a game they were suppose to win and they haven't won a game they were suppose to lose. The Spurs are consistently among the league leaders in point differential and that's with the low BBIQ chucking machine. The only time it got ugly out there was when Pop played Neal at the point instead of his natural shooting guard position. It remains to be seen whether having Neal as a pure SG and AK47 as a backup to Kawhi who can do many of the same things Belinelli can + play defense as opposed to just Marco.

[exstatic]

How can someone quantify BBIQ? It's way to early to say things are flowing better with Beli because so far the Spurs haven't lost a game they were suppose to win and they haven't won a game they were suppose to lose. The Spurs are consistently among the league leaders in point differential and that's with the low BBIQ chucking machine. The only time it got ugly out there was when Pop played Neal at the point instead of his natural shooting guard position. It remains to be seen whether having Neal as a pure SG and AK47 as a backup to Kawhi who can do many of the same things Belinelli can + play defense as opposed to just Marco.

?? AK47 was never coming here. Once Flip Saunders decided NOT to do a S&T, there was only one place he was going for MLE or less: the Nyets.

[benefactor]

?? AK47 was never coming here. Once Flip Saunders decided NOT to do a S&T, there was only one place he was going for MLE or less: the Nyets.

I don't know why people keep ignoring this. It gets said over and over yet people still live under the illusion that AK-47 was right there and the Spurs lost him. Oh...wait...isn't he injured?

As far as Neal vs. Beli goes, Chinook said it best...Beli is just a better fit. Neal had some good games and could shoot the lights out but at the end of the day he was basically a gunner. Beli's all around game fits the Spurs Euroball style of offense much, much better.

[benefactor]

And some of Raven's takes in this thread. Holy .

[Raven]

so now the fact that ak47 is injured, is a proof that he wasn't available

[benefactor]

No...he wasn't available...period. Him being injured is just proof that the Spurs dodged a bullet by Saunders not agreeing to sign and trade him. Nice attempt at yet another goalpost move though, per par.

[Raven]

No...he wasn't available...period. Him being injured is just proof that the Spurs dodged a bullet by Saunders not agreeing to sign and trade him. Nice attempt at yet another goalpost move though, per par.

look if you need to use the word "proof" for something that is not even related, it just makes it obvious that your takes are not really to be taken seriously.

[exstatic]

look if you need to use the word "proof" for something that is not even related, it just makes it obvious that your takes are not really to be taken seriously.

You just used the word proof. Hah!

[benefactor]

look if you need to use the word "proof" for something that is not even related, it just makes it obvious that your takes are not really to be taken seriously.

so now the fact that ak47 is injured, is a proof that he wasn't available

[exstatic]

[DMC]

Gary made millions off the Spurs. , I wish they would be ungrateful with me.

[jeebus]

reading this thread solely for raven's takes. was not disappointed.

[Raven]

yeah, it's funny that you don't know the meaning of the word "related"

[Darius McCrary]

Noone can speak on Marco's clutch rating though.
Neal had clutch factor to spare.

For all we know, Marco will crap the bed when the goes down.

[Juggity]

I like marco's passing skills. It adds another dimension to the bench unit that Neal just couldn't provide. As great as Neal was in the clutch, King Beli seems more dependable and consistent thus far. This, in combination with his ability to make baskets in tight situations, seems like an upgrade

[Biernutz]

I just love the Gary Neal threads--they keep
my attention and on the edge of my seat.

[PlayNando]

Noone can speak on Marco's clutch rating though.
Neal had clutch factor to spare.

For all we know, Marco will crap the bed when the goes down.

You must not watch basketball much. Marco is very clutch, more so than the Hero.

[Darius McCrary]

You must not watch basketball much. Marco is very clutch, more so than the Hero.

Only believe it when I see it and unfortunately that won't be until June.