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[CuckingFunt]

console only gamers hating on PC

Preferring B =/= hating A.

[ElNono]

I used to say that about not physically owning any games when moving to digital and now I "own" digital copies of games, so if it's like a subscription service like Netflix, I would jump on board (assuming the internet tech is there).

Personal preference, tbh... I like to play my games when I want, including when Comcast decides to take a on me...

[ElNono]

I can't imagine much different than Steam's Big Picture Mode, other than the supposed performance boost due to a less resource wasting OS.

I'm sure it won't be much different once you can buy a box that you unbox, hook up to a tv and internet, turn on, and comes up straight into Big Picture mode...

[DJR210]

Preferring B =/= hating A.

I understand the difference. It's not hard to spot someone with an educated opinion.

I'm sure it won't be much different once you can buy a box that you unbox, hook up to a tv and internet, turn on, and comes up straight into Big Picture mode...

I get the sarcasm, but that's not much different than whats available now, building aside. You can hit the guide button on the Xbox controller to launch big picture mode. Combined with a decent SSD, you're at the home screen of Steam in less than 30 seconds.

Besides, we know most PC gamers pirate the out of their games. That's why they can afford to upgrade every two or three years.

[The Reckoning]

i know i said i quit gaming but my buddy just had his ps4 box opened and crap stolen out of it from UPS, so sony sent him another console.

problem is they accidentally sent him two, so he might give me his extra if they don't make him pay for it.

[ElNono]

I get the sarcasm, but that's not much different than whats available now, building aside. You can hit the guide button on the Xbox controller to launch big picture mode. Combined with a decent SSD, you're at the home screen of Steam in less than 30 seconds.

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with , I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

[DJR210]

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with , I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

[CuckingFunt]

i know i said i quit gaming but my buddy just had his ps4 box opened and crap stolen out of it from UPS, so sony sent him another console.

problem is they accidentally sent him two, so he might give me his extra if they don't make him pay for it.

You know... If you really don't want to go back on your oath to quit gaming, you could always have your buddy send that extra PS4 to me. I'd jump on that grenade for ya.

[Cry Havoc]

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with , I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

This is a solid post. Building a pc, even if you have an idea of what you're doing, is still a labor intensive process. And if you don't know what you're doing you can still get by, but it's not super easy.

Probably one of the main features of the steambox is that it will open up that segment of users that have no desire to learn about hardware and don't want to buy from a gaming pc maker like cyberpower, which is totally understandable.

[ElNono]

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

[NASpurs]

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

You're ing hardcore man. That's close to 60-140+ games a year. I play at the most, 20 games a year and that estimate seems a little high for me. Do you review games for a living or something?

[resistanze]

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgeable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

[DJR210]

What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

Point is I understand why a casual gamer would prefer a console. That's it.

[leemajors]

What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

you just don't want to cut into your r00ting time

[resistanze]

Point is I understand why a casual gamer would prefer a console. That's it.

Yeah and a lot of people can see why any gamer - casual or 'hardcore' - may prefer a console.

[resistanze]

you just don't want to cut into your r00ting time

[DJR210]

Yeah and a lot of people can see why any gamer - casual or 'hardcore' - may prefer a console.

Ok.

[ElNono]

You're ing hardcore man. That's close to 60-140+ games a year. I play at the most, 20 games a year and that estimate seems a little high for me. Do you review games for a living or something?

Mind candy, tbh... been playing since I was a kid... don't even wanna know how many quarters I spent on the arcades back in the day... tbh, these days, half the games are not worth the media they're etched on...

[Trainwreck2100]

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

what's you xbox handle?

[Cry Havoc]

Mind candy, tbh... been playing since I was a kid... don't even wanna know how many quarters I spent on the arcades back in the day... tbh, these days, half the games are not worth the media they're etched on...

Mortal Combat II and Killer Instinct. those games. them.

[ElNono]

what's you xbox handle?

XBox Live
no thanks, I'll keep my $$$

[Creepn]

I'm not gonna be moving my PC back and forth to the livingroom. NO! Don't give me that "LOL PC cases have cushioned handles on top to make transporting from room to room easier. Keep flailing console boi!!" nonsense either.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm not gonna be moving my PC back and forth to the livingroom. NO! Don't give me that "LOL PC cases have cushioned handles on top to make transporting from room to room easier. Keep flailing console boi!!" nonsense either.

For the price of a console you could build a very respectable HTPC with some gaming added in, especially if you take advantage of the sales around Xmas.

[Trainwreck2100]

XBox Live
no thanks, I'll keep my $$$

you still need a profile to sign into

[jman3000]

I'm still on the fence as to which i'd get. From the 3 people I know that have both, they all seemed to play the ps4 for a few hours then drop it, while they use the xbox whenever they turn their tv on.

I don't really have a ton of time to game anyway, and when I do it's mostly on my pc, but I do have people over often and my friends tell me it's pretty responsive. I'll probably wait until the new year to decide.