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Does LeBron's career already trump Duncan's?
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In before a Kobe mention.
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Kobe: 2 gold medals
Duncan: 1 Dookie medal
this is a tough question, since lebron is at his peak now. how much longer will his peak last? will his career stretch as long as duncan's has, or will he have a kobe-esque fade? a big part of Duncan's greatness has been his longevity, how he always has his team in contender status. even at age 37 he was seconds away from possibly picking up the finals mvp. can lebron be at that level in 7 years?
peak wise, Duncan's definitive peak was the 03 season, and LeBron's 2012 was as good if not better. although its hard to say since the heat 2012 roster >> spurs 2003 roster. how much longer will lebron's peak last and how long will he have his team in contender mode? these are questions that have yet to be answered.
I say Tim ranks higher and stays that way. Both extremely efficient and versatile players, but I'll take a PF/C over a SF.
It's about even right now, but when it's all said and done Lebron should be higher barring catastrophic injury.
AS OF NOW NO....... Get three more rings then yes. If he gets two more I would even say maybe yes. Right NOW though NO. Timmayyyyyyyy.
^lol using the Thread argument
It's pretty close already, but I think Duncan is still ahead due to longevity. Duncan is in the 5-7 range of greatest players of all-time, and I would put LeBron already in the 6-8 range.
However, Duncan's about as high as he can go unless he balls out this year and wins another le, which would merit a 3rd or 4th spot consideration. LeBron has no ceiling at present time, he could surpass Jordan before it's all said and done. That said, he probably won't, and as such will end up either 2nd or 3rd.
there is almost no way for lebron to surpass MJ unless he actually ties or surpasses him in rings. i'm not a fan of the rings argument, standalone, but we've seen lebron come up small on the big stages a bunch of times in his career. MJ was known for always coming through in big games. lebron would have to prove he is the killer jordan was by winning another 3 at least. i mean with MJ, it was like, if he's in his prime, he's gna win the chip, no buts about it
I'd have Timmy over LeBron, but LeBron will finish 2nd (and possibly 1st for a lot of people) on the list, when all is said and done.
Who is 2nd anyway? Wilts season stats, Kareems all time stats, Bills ships, Magic, Bird? (for me its Bill)
the only thing stopping duncan from jumping up the goat list further is hero ball and management for last 7 seasons finding a fkn backup pg and bowen replacement
LeBron repeated.
1. Lebron
2. MJ
Everyone else
Duncan still.
3 to 2 Finals MVPs in favor of Duncan.
But like someone else said, barring injury, Lebron is all but guaranteed to surpass Duncan.
He's surpassed Kirby, though.
The past two seasons have really upped Duncan's stature on the all time list tbh.
But i think Lebron surpassed Duncan last year after his 4th MVP.
3 > 2 but 2 < 4. It's amazing that these two players combined should've had 8 regular season MVPs (1999 & 2011) by now.
MVP is a joke, Rose has same amount as Shaq and Nash has as many as Duncan
last season if lebron also picked up the dpoy, then i would have no problem with him surpassing duncan, collecting all 3 major awards is something u rarely see
buut then again people love to boast about lebrons season last year, i still dont buy into that 27win streak bull coasting and getting pushed in the playoffs by weaker teams
even with the win streak, they only finish a couple of WIN games ahead of 2nd and 3rd best teams in the league, so what was so special about his season anyway
i still dont think what he has done so far on the heat can be compared to the 2 best records in the league when he was a cavelier, if he was that good; shouldnt the heat at least surpass one of them records?
Still Timmy for now. As other said, in the next 5 seasons Lebron should be in the top 3-5 of all time.
if duncan won last season then whatever lebron does in the future wont pushed him over duncan on the rankings, since he beat duncan....he is above duncan atm and only looking over his shoulder in the distance for those below him, unless duncan wins one b4 he retires against a formidable team where he puts up monster stats...but the chances of that happening is nil cause of a certain fake ass hero on the team
Via Duncan's tired old bag.
Also via the Skunking of Kirby, which enabled the Spurs to get to the Finals....
LeBron has already played 10+ years in the league. I don't buy the argument he needs a few more years to establish his longevity. If LeBron retired today, the only guys I definitely put ahead of him are Michael and Kareem and Magic. He's grouped in with 3 other guys, Bird, Hakeem, and Wilt behind those top three. I have LeBron slotted somewhere in the top 7 if he didn't play another NBA game ever. For me, Duncan is somewhere in that 8-10 range but won't climb any higher. As for regular season MVPs, yes over the past decade or so, the league MVP has been a joke in some years. But I don't believe many people if any think any of LeBron's MVPs aren't legit. If anything, he has an argument to have a few more, like the year Derrick Rose won, Nash's second, Kobe's. Are there really people that question the legitimacy of LeBron's 4? Even if the MVP is a joke, LeBron's 4 aren't.
As of right now, yes, LeBron ranks higher than Duncan all time.
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