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shaq never needed to be bailed out by the best shooter in history tbh
shaq by a carlength imo
Shaq had a reputation for being mentally weak and disappearing for stretches prior to Phil Jackson's arrival, tbh..
A lot of people at the time questioned whether you could win a le with Shaq, tbh..
He's also been proven to be a team cancer, obviously..
Lebron and Shaq are very similar, except the former is one of the best team players and teammates in history and had much more responsibility, tbh..
shaq never needed to be bailed out by the best shooter in history tbh
shaq by a carlength imo
Yeah, Shaq was on a different level and his numbers increased exponentially in the Finals, something Lebron hasn't done since most of his numbers decreased every time in the big stage.
truth bomb tbh
yeah because nobody ever had those same questions for lebron...
A lot of people at the time questioned whether you could win a le with Shaq, tbh..
He's also been proven to be a team cancer, obviously..
Lebron and Shaq are very similar, except the former is one of the best team players and teammates in history and had much more responsibility, tbh..
lebron disappeared in the 2011 finals, and was an afterthought in most of the 2013 finals. he was money in 4th quarter of game 6 until the last minute, where he was bailed out by offensive rebounds and ray ray. lebron iced game 7... though it never took shaq that many games to win a le in his prime
That's my point, people are acting like Shaq didn't have the same question marks as Lebron
i don't think it was to the same degree though.That's my point, people are acting like Shaq didn't have the same question marks as Lebron
The 2011 Mavs, 2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs would annihilate the 2000 Pacers, 2001 Sixers and 2002 Nets, tbh..none of those series' would go past 5 games..
lebron was underwhelming in the 2011 finals and a vast majority of 2013. if ray allen didn't bail him out, the last minute of game 6 would have been a stain on lebron's legacy. i'm not ready to equate their finals dominance tbh
I don't think Lebron is nearly as good as Shaq at performing in the Finals, but that's quite the limited barometer for judging players, tbh
Lebron, overall, wasn't underwhelming in the Finals at all, tbh..for all players in the series with a +20% usage rate, he had the best offensive rating, slightly ahead of Duncan..his scoring was underwhelming, but only ignorant media/fans use scoring as the only measure to judge a player, tbh..
Miami's system is 1 star surrounded by complimentary players, since Wade's decline following the 2011 Finals..Lebron opens the entire game up for the shooters, and those lineups of Lebron + shooters are the units that killed the Spurs in the Finals, tbh..unless you guys believe old-ass Ray Allen and Mike Miller were creating those shots for themselves
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 12-12-2013 at 03:19 PM.
meh, anybody watching knew lebron was out of his element, scoring figures aside. i thought lebron dominated 2 in their win. chalmers led them in scoring iirc, but that was because of that chalmers-lebron pick and roll and the spurs were gravitating to lebron out of fear. lebron didn't make much noise in game 1, and i dont think i heard his name called in game 3, except for when he kept getting stripped in transition.I don't think Lebron is nearly as good as Shaq at performing in the Finals, but that's quite the limited barometer for judging players, tbh
Lebron, overall, wasn't underwhelming in the Finals at all, tbh..for all players in the series with a +20% usage rate, he had the best offensive rating, slightly ahead of Duncan..his scoring was underwhelming, but only ignorant media/fans use scoring as the only measure to judge a player, tbh..
it does speak volumes that game 7 was his best game, you have to give him that. and while its true that the finals is a very limited way to look at it, its the biggest stage with the most pressure. MJ is pretty much known for his finals dominance, as is shaq. your ability to lead your team deep into the playoffs and to have success there is a fair barometer, imo (provided you have a reasonable roster, which is why i can't hold the cavs years against bron), and the finals are weighed the most
If you bring back shaq during his prime right now, he will dominate everyone. And I think Heat can't stop him.
If you bring Lebron during shaq's prime, I don't think he will dominate everyone the way shaq would.
So I will take Shaq...
Let's see what LeBron does this year. But LeBron's 2012 playoff run was better than Shaq's 2000.
LeBron. Because of defense. Shaq was not an elite defender especially not in the tier LeBron is in now.
Shaq was pretty underrated defensively, tbh, but I agree, especially with the weak opposing players during the Lakers' le runs..
It's much easier to anchor the defense of an offensive-first team when there is a scarcity of paint attackers in your le runs, tbh, and your man-to-man C matchups are even easier..
But Shaq never shat the bed in the Finals in his prime.That's my point, people are acting like Shaq didn't have the same question marks as Lebron
oh yes, tosb version of Shawn Marion and tosb Kidd = Pippen and Gary Payton
You're acting like 2011-12 Wade is nowhere near as good as 2000-01 Kirby.
Just saying, the entire Dallas defense was focused around containing LeBron, not just the perimeter players. LeBron could've done better, no denying that. But he never had the cushion Shaq had during the 3 peat.
I mean for all the help he supposedly has, LeBron has led his team in the playoffs in points, assists, rebounds and steals for the past 2 championships, while being the anchor defensively.
Shaq by a good distance.
The difference is that shaq had Duncan as his nemesis. Lebron had no one, which makes Lebron looks better than he really is because he is so dominant that he had no compe ion. But if you put prime Duncan or prime shaq in today's game, the MVP winner wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.
Wait, what?!
You obviously did not watch Shaq game in and game out ...
the fact that his numbers jumped in the playoffs and and finals pretty much proves that statement is bull .
the fact his rebounding and block numbers aren't as good as his talent suggests also prove otherwise ... shaq should of led the NBA in rebounding and blocks every year of his prime ...he was THAT good.
He also was one of the worst pnr defenders of elite big men ...which considering he was one of the biggest yet quickest true big men even more damning tbh ...
Bottom line if we get home, playoff game Shaq (check his road vs. home splits he was much more dominant with home refs) on a regular basis I would be making a case for Shaq as GOAT tbh ...but he did not so taht is why this is even a debate. IF the question focuses on a single year I would vote Shaq his 2000 MVP season was his best and better to me than Lebron. I dont care what the numbers show, in 2000 Shaq was a great leader, he played his best defense and was his most clutch. He had a late steal and breakaway slam against Grant hill and Orlando in 2000 to send a game to OT that made me think wow Shaq has FINALLY fulfilled his promise no way we are not winning the le. And he led us to that le. Unfortunately after that he got lazy and fat ...
thank God for Phil without him Neither Shaq nor Kobe realizes their full potential tbh (MJ too) ....
Last edited by Killakobe81; 12-13-2013 at 09:28 AM.
Just like someone said above, Kobe is the perfect litmus to show you who's the better one between bron and Shaq. The prime Kobe was just as good as prime lebron, if not better, and the prime shaq made prime kobe live in his shadow...
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