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    One thing that helps Bonner's +/- somewhat is that Matt often comes in for 1 possession or 2 of 3 possessions at the end of quarters. It's hard to get minus numbers when the other team doesn't have the ball.
    Last season he had a on court +/- of +13.2 in 1300 minutes. The Spurs were +9.3 points per 100 possessions, when he was on the bench. Interestingly the less he plays per game season to season the more effective the Spurs are when he is on the floor. Justifying his change of pace role he plays.

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    Sure, 2011 was clearly Randolph's peak.
    Dude played out of his mind that series. Was dropping three balls and . Hard to believe it's even the same player when you watch him now.

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    Nice, now you are characterizing cir stances as 'should' and the like. More great stories! Now why don't you villianize someone..... Wait! who was it that didn't start Splitter? YES!!!! POP = VILLAIN!!! This is shaping up to be a great story!
    Okay, let's forget that Splitter probably played the best of any of the Spurs in that series, despite not being in the rotation for the entire season. Let's instead be super objective and make the case that Splitter wasn't the best option over Bonner, Blair or McDyess based solely on his production since that season. I still got nothin'. How about you?

    Duncan drew Gasol and yes Gasol was having his way for the most part especially defending Duncan. Hollins forced the matchup with his subs utions. Gasol ended up with 14 points on 10 shots for the series. Duncan was held under 13 ppg shooting 47% from the field. Pedestrian, tbh.

    Interesting how your story left out McDyess but then again I didn't really mean it when I said it was a good story.
    McDyess struggled, and actually strengthens the case for starting Splitter, but your advanced stats show that he was fourth on the team in defensive rating for that series. Bonner was better than only Steve Novak.

    I am more than willing to admit that Bonner played very poorly in 2011 but dismissing his good play in 2013 is plain bias.
    He had his moments in 2013. Beating up on a broken-down-and-pouting Dwight gave him quite a bit of confidence. Giving him credit for that is a far ing cry from saying that he's one of the better post defenders in the league or that he has lower body strength to force guys off the lower block, implying he's always been that effective. The Spurs still have to cover for him on defense.

    Matt Bonner is a walking lottery ticket. If he weren't capable of rattling off several threes in a short span he wouldn't be on this or any other team.

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    Dude played out of his mind that series. Was dropping three balls and . Hard to believe it's even the same player when you watch him now.
    Hard to believe it's the same team. Every single guy on the squad showed up with their A game for that series.

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    Okay, let's forget that Splitter probably played the best of any of the Spurs in that series, despite not being in the rotation for the entire season. Let's instead be super objective and make the case that Splitter wasn't the best option over Bonner, Blair or McDyess based solely on his production since that season. I still got nothin'. How about you?


    McDyess struggled, and actually strengthens the case for starting Splitter, but your advanced stats show that he was fourth on the team in defensive rating for that series. Bonner was better than only Steve Novak.


    He had his moments in 2013. Beating up on a broken-down-and-pouting Dwight gave him quite a bit of confidence. Giving him credit for that is a far ing cry from saying that he's one of the better post defenders in the league or that he has lower body strength to force guys off the lower block, implying he's always been that effective. The Spurs still have to cover for him on defense.

    Matt Bonner is a walking lottery ticket. If he weren't capable of rattling off several threes in a short span he wouldn't be on this or any other team.
    The thread is about Matt Bonner. You have turned it into your story of how Pop should have played Splitter more in 2011. You have laid out your bias clearly.

    I like Splitter too.

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    Matt ing Bonner needs to go!

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    The thread is about Matt Bonner. You have turned it into your story of how Pop should have played Splitter more in 2011. You have laid out your bias clearly.

    I like Splitter too.
    I was replying to your post. My reply has a lot about Matt Bonner in it. You're trying to change the subject because your case is falling apart. You turned it into the story of my "bias" because you have absolutely nothing to back up your position. Then you made it about how Marc Gasol dominated Tim Duncan. Then you made it about Antonio McDyess. I addressed each issue, showed you how Matt Bonner contributed to the bad situations or was worse than anyone else on the team.

    You said that Matt Bonner has somehow developed this enormous lower-body strength in his eighth year in the league to become an effective defender, which is laugh-out-loud funny. Matt Bonner sucks unless he's hitting threes, and wouldn't be in the rotation on any NBA team if he weren't a really good shooter. He's in the rotation for the Spurs because Pop's in love with the three pointer and other guys are hurt. Them's the facts.

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    Matt ing Bonner needs to go!

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    I was replying to your post. My reply has a lot about Matt Bonner in it. You're trying to change the subject because your case is falling apart. You turned it into the story of my "bias" because you have absolutely nothing to back up your position. Then you made it about how Marc Gasol dominated Tim Duncan. Then you made it about Antonio McDyess. I addressed each issue, showed you how Matt Bonner contributed to the bad situations or was worse than anyone else on the team.

    You said that Matt Bonner has somehow developed this enormous lower-body strength in his eighth year in the league to become an effective defender, which is laugh-out-loud funny. Matt Bonner sucks unless he's hitting threes, and wouldn't be in the rotation on any NBA team if he weren't a really good shooter. He's in the rotation for the Spurs because Pop's in love with the three pointer and other guys are hurt. Them's the facts.


    We have stats to back up claims of post defense. You never responded with an example of post players just Shaqing him into dunk out of post plays. They don't exist for the most part. You really don't think Bonner has good strength?

    Instead we now get stories. You characterize once again as 'falling apart' and make claims of having addressed 'everything' and now I have 'nothing' etc. You are like Apple without the sans serif font: no substance nor style.

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    Game isn't over, but so far, Bonner leads the team yet again... +10, 13 minutes, 0 for 1 FG. All hail.

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    +10 in 13 minutes. Its ridicolous how good we score the basketball when he is on the floor...

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    Bonner: 0 in 2 minutes... T-2nd on the team behind Tiago Splitter (+4 in 24 minutes).

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    Bonner tonight: +4 in 6 minutes in the Spurs' 111-98 loss.

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    Bonner tonight: +5 in 13 minutes.

    Third on the team in +/- behind Ginobili (+16) and Mills (+6).

    The Red Rocket with the +/- goods, per par.

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    Bonner tonight: +5 in 13 minutes.

    Third on the team in +/- behind Ginobili (+16) and Mills (+6).

    The Red Rocket with the +/- goods, per par.


    though tbh, he, Ginobili and Mills all look better than last year, and helped cover up first team's on numerous games now.

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    I hate Jeff Ayres

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    Bump. +17 in today's loss.

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    I did a double take on one lineup we had out there [mills, joseph, bellinelli, ayers and bonner] and realized Bonner was the best defender on the floor. That was very sobering.

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    Two games ago, it's February 1st, 3rd quarter with 4:26 to go. Spurs are down by 4 points. Bonner comes in, doesn't leave until there's just 12 seconds left in the game. After trailing all game, the Spurs now have the lead. Coincidence?

    Last game, February 3rd, 4th quarter with 9:45 to go. Spurs down 11 to the Pellies, Bonner comes in. 9 minutes later, it's 0:27 left and Bonner checks out with the Spurs up by 8 (+19). Coincidence?

    Must be. Don't let stats fool you. Guy's obviously terrible. You can tell because you can tell. I mean, he's Matt Bonner. And don't let the fact that he's been stellar of 2 of the last 3 postseason fool you, including last season's .469 3P% in which he played 267 minutes, by far the most of his playoff career. He's obviously a playoff choker. I know because Matt Bonner. I WATCH THE GAMES.
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    Bonner just ting on ST, nothing new here.

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    Bonner just ting on ST, nothing new here.
    exactly, Bonner is the goat, what's new?

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    Bonner consistently spreads the floor providing Tony/Manu with more open lanes to the basket.

    As the 4th big in the rotation, having Bonner is a luxury.

    Bonner at 15 minutes per game is a good thing (as his occasional presence throws a wrench at the other team's defensive game plan).

    Bonner at more than 15 minutes per game is where it begins to unravel because then the other team can properly plan for the known offensive sets the Spurs run when he's on the floor. Defensively they go at him consistently exploiting his slightly lower lateral mobility and ironically the Red Rocket's general lack of lift.

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