Inside the Stunning Court Smackdown on NSA Spying

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gives a good rundown of the district judges opinion.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...-amendment-win

[boutons_deux]

Leon seems to be a dirty, little political Fat Bas rather than a judge (iow, a typical Repug totally politicized judicial appointee)

Judge Leon’s Dirty Climb to the Bench




http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/17...-to-the-bench/

[baseline bum]

LOL boutons is the Democrat version of King Republican Wild Cobra

[mouse]

Alot of talk and no results, NSA is like Halliburton and Fracking, its here to stay.

[pgardn]

Boutons is fine with anything a democrat does.

But when the NSA is under Republican guidance, guidance used loosely, he will turn.

Boutons the pure political hack, follow the party line. A non discerning automaton, exactly what a democratic society does not need.

[boutons_deux]

"Boutons is fine with anything a democrat does."

You Lie

"But when the NSA is under Republican guidance, guidance used loosely, he will turn."

NSA is under its own guidance, out of civilian control, as we will see after Congress, Pres panels, roll back absolutely nothing NSA/CIA does, any restrictions will be unenforced, unpoliced window dressing.

"Boutons the pure political hack, follow the party line. A non discerning automaton, exactly what a democratic society does not need"

You're so ing lost and confused, you don't even merit a GFY

[TeyshaBlue]

Boutons is fine with anything a democrat does.

But when the NSA is under Republican guidance, guidance used loosely, he will turn.

Boutons the pure political hack, follow the party line. A non discerning automaton, exactly what a democratic society does not need.

pwnt.

[boutons_deux]

pwnt.

TB lessly emerges from the shadows to pile on, as always

[pgardn]

"Boutons is fine with anything a democrat does."

You Lie

"But when the NSA is under Republican guidance, guidance used loosely, he will turn."

NSA is under its own guidance, out of civilian control, as we will see after Congress, Pres panels, roll back absolutely nothing NSA/CIA does, any restrictions will be unenforced, unpoliced window dressing.

"Boutons the pure political hack, follow the party line. A non discerning automaton, exactly what a democratic society does not need"

You're so ing lost and confused, you don't even merit a GFY

So the president can't do anything except use antiquated rules from 1979 to defend the NSA?
Did you read the piece?

[TeyshaBlue]

TB lessly emerges from the shadows to pile on, as always

lol simpleton

[boutons_deux]

So the president can't do anything except use antiquated rules from 1979 to defend the NSA?
Did you read the piece?

That ruling is the SCOTUS approved law, what else is any President sworn to defend the law supposed to do "officially"? Barry did refuse to defend DOMA, but that was only a Repug hate-law, not ruled Cons utional by SCOTUS.

That ruling is coming under pressure, because comms tech has evolved enormously, but it's hard to overcome a SCOTUS ruling. My guess is that the anti-Human-American right-wing SCOTUS now would rule the same way as the 1979 ruling, although the right-wing ACTIVIST assholes have been very good at raping stare decisis positions going back many decades (eg: corporations are now people).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Boutons is fine with anything a democrat does.

But when the NSA is under Republican guidance, guidance used loosely, he will turn.

Boutons the pure political hack, follow the party line. A non discerning automaton, exactly what a democratic society does not need.

It makes the comparison to WC that much more apt. You get 100k unquestioning minions like that and it is dangerous. At least he is educated.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...7.html?hp=t2_3

talks about the panel ruling and cross reinforcement that it does with the judges ruling. FWIW this next article goes into the panel ruling in pretty good detail.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...html?ml=m_b6_1

All in all I think Snowden deserves amnesty.

[pgardn]

That ruling is the SCOTUS approved law, what else is any President sworn to defend the law supposed to do "officially"? Barry did refuse to defend DOMA, but that was only a Repug hate-law, not ruled Cons utional by SCOTUS.

That ruling is coming under pressure, because comms tech has evolved enormously, but it's hard to overcome a SCOTUS ruling. My guess is that the anti-Human-American right-wing SCOTUS now would rule the same way as the 1979 ruling, although the right-wing ACTIVIST assholes have been very good at raping stare decisis positions going back many decades (eg: corporations are now people).

So the president hires people that lie to the American public and does nothing. Just because Bush push started all this does not mean Obama is powerless to curtail it. Look at the inquiries on this stuff and follow Obamas remarks. He has done almost nothing but defend it all. So he is not Cheney, so what. Obama has been caught with his pants down on this, he engaged this in a manner of a non risk taker. The status quo was fine.

[pgardn]

It makes the comparison to WC that much more apt. You get 100k unquestioning minions like that and it is dangerous. At least he is educated.

Educated zealots are MORE dangerous than minions. He is educated in his ideology. Knee jerk democrat.

[pgardn]

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...7.html?hp=t2_3

talks about the panel ruling and cross reinforcement that it does with the judges ruling. FWIW this next article goes into the panel ruling in pretty good detail.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...html?ml=m_b6_1

All in all I think Snowden deserves amnesty.

This again is one of the enduring political dilemma. Individual rights to privacy v. the good of the whole. This is a very difficult problem. The Snowden items brought to light some very important problems. But he knowingly broke the law. How many supermen wannabes will break the law to release information that THEY deem important? It's the same as a single big wig deciding we will gather unnecessary information about individuals in order to find valuable terrorist info with no regard for collateral damage.

[symple19]

Starts at about 1:30... Good stuff from Greenwald

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Educated zealots are MORE dangerous than minions. He is educated in his ideology. Knee jerk democrat.

I said minion not zealot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This again is one of the enduring political dilemma. Individual rights to privacy v. the good of the whole. This is a very difficult problem. The Snowden items brought to light some very important problems. But he knowingly broke the law. How many supermen wannabes will break the law to release information that THEY deem important? It's the same as a single big wig deciding we will gather unnecessary information about individuals in order to find valuable terrorist info with no regard for collateral damage.

What they think is besides the point. What is important is that what Snowden deemed important indeed was important. He was right.

[pgardn]

I said minion not zealot.

Yes you did write minion.

I wrote zealot.

[pgardn]

What they think is besides the point. What is important is that what Snowden deemed important indeed was important. He was right.

Yep. But giving him amnesty opens up wannabes who also think they are on to something and are wrong. We don't hear about them in the press as much unless they sell to the Russians. In any event, the channels for whistle blowers needs improvement. There have been some very reckless releases.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep. But giving him amnesty opens up wannabes who also think they are on to something and are wrong. We don't hear about them in the press as much unless they sell to the Russians. In any event, the channels for whistle blowers needs improvement. There have been some very reckless releases.

so we should fear your hypothetical and not do whats right? Sounds like a typical defense of the status quo.

whistleblowers need to be treated better and this punitive deterrence never seems to work.

[pgardn]

so we should fear your hypothetical and not do whats right? Sounds like a typical defense of the status quo.

whistleblowers need to be treated better and this punitive deterrence never seems to work.

It's happened. People's names who work in some capacity for the government have been released and put them in physical danger in another country.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Leon seems to be a dirty, little political Fat Bas rather than a judge (iow, a typical Repug totally politicized judicial appointee)

Judge Leon’s Dirty Climb to the Bench




http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/17...-to-the-bench/

Or he just cares about the 4th amendment.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's happened. People's names who work in some capacity for the government have been released and put them in physical danger in another country.

did this happen in this case? no.

he revealed the system behind mass collection of data of our citizens and allies. He is not Manning in giving away the names of military intelligence, contacts and agents from all manner of foreign operations.

i could just as easily make the counter claim hypothetical that there could be other illegal practices that could be exposed within the government. that our current punitive practice of prosecuting the righteous helps keep it hidden.

Are you glad that Snowden revealed what they are doing? I know I feel that we as a people are better off knowing. I think their wanton disregard for personal liberty is what we need to be concerned with.