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    The expansion of the CIA’s undeclared drone war in the tribal areas of Pakistan required a big expansion of who can be marked for death. Once the standard for targeted killing was top-level leadership in al-Qaeda or one of its allies. That’s long gone, especially as the number of people targeted at once has grown.


    This is the new standard, according to a blockbuster piece in the Wall Street Journal: “men believed to be militants associated with terrorist groups, but whose iden ies aren’t always known.” The CIA is now killing people without knowing who they are, on su ion of association with terrorist groups. The article does not define the standards are for “su ion” and “association.”
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...ked-for-death/

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    explains where the 122 missiles went lmao...

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    Pakistan is to Laos as Afghanistan is to Vietnam.

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    "Collateral"

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    What's wrong with that?

    Drones aren't conscious aware beings who have the ability of value judgements.

    LOL

    Sorry, i had to do that.

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    study suggests drones kill far fewer civilians than many Pakistanis believe

    ISLAMABAD (AP) — American drone strikes inside Pakistan are killing far fewer civilians than many in the country are led to believe, according to a rare on-the-ground investigation by The Associated Press of 10 of the deadliest attacks in the past 18 months.

    The widespread perception in Pakistan that civilians, not militants, are the principal victims — a view that is fostered by leading right-wing politicians, clerics and the fighters themselves — fuels pervasive anti-American sentiment and, some argue, has swelled the ranks of al-Qaida and the Taliban.

    But an AP reporter who spoke to about 80 villagers at the sites of the 10 attacks in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for militants in Pakistan's northwest tribal region along the Afghan border, was told that a significant majority of the dead were combatants.

    Indeed, the AP was told by the villagers that of at least 194 people killed in the attacks, about 70 percent — at least 138 — were militants. The remaining 56 were either civilians or tribal police, and 38 of them were killed in a single attack on March 17, 2011
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,5791907.story

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    study suggests drones kill far fewer civilians than many Pakistanis believe



    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,5791907.story
    Like I have repeatedly said. These soldiers of Islamic peace don't wear uniforms. Once you remove the weapons from their dead hands, you can take pictures and claim they are civilians.

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    pretty hard to detect when these clowns wear long robes as 1 piece of clothing lol...

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    Shocking Admission on Killing Civilians by Top US General Almost Completely Ignored by Corporate Media

    "an astonishing open admission of possible US war crimes by
    Obama's man on the ground in Kabul, senior American and NATO commander in
    Afghanistan General Stanley A. McChrystal, was reported by Richard A. Oppel Jr.
    in the New York Times... and then promptly ignored by the rest of the mainstream
    media.

    "We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever
    proven to be a threat
    ," McChrystal said during a recent video-conference to answer
    questions from troops in the field about civilian casualties."

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/146251

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    Shocking Admission on Killing Civilians by Top US General Almost Completely Ignored by Corporate Media

    "an astonishing open admission of possible US war crimes by
    Obama's man on the ground in Kabul, senior American and NATO commander in
    Afghanistan General Stanley A. McChrystal, was reported by Richard A. Oppel Jr.
    in the New York Times... and then promptly ignored by the rest of the mainstream
    media.

    "We have shot an amazing number of people, but to my knowledge, none has ever
    proven to be a threat
    ," McChrystal said during a recent video-conference to answer
    questions from troops in the field about civilian casualties."

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/146251
    LOL...

    "None has proven to be a threat..."

    In war, what type of proof is required?

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    That's the US GOVT LIE :

    Declaring continuous war on the planet, giving the President war-time powers, murdering anybody with no proven threat, anywhere.

    It America's planet to rape, plunder, and garrison.

    Counter America the Murderous Imperialist, You Die.

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    And the Generals want less civilian control, even less Pentagon control, and no/less oversight to murder without restraint

    Admiral Seeks Freer Hand in Deployment of Elite Forces

    the nation’s top Special Operations officer, a member of the Navy Seals who oversaw the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, is seeking new authority to move his forces faster and outside of normal Pentagon deployment channels.

    pushing for a larger role for his elite units who have traditionally operated in the dark corners of American foreign policy. The plan would give him more autonomy to position his forces and their war-fighting equipment where intelligence and global events indicate they are most needed.

    It would also allow the Special Operations forces to expand their presence in regions where they have not operated in large numbers for the past decade, especially in Asia, Africa and Latin America.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/us...loyment&st=cse

    Herr Doktor General Strangelove
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    Banning filmmakers, lawyers, political activists, and scholars from entering your country out of fear of their criticisms is the behavior of an insecure, oppressive nation. It’s also natural behavior for political leaders eager to maintain an impenetrable wall of secrecy around their conduct.


    Just to underscore how extreme is the Obama administration’s reflexive secrecy in such matters: yesterday, ABC News‘s Jake Tapper asked National Security Advisor Tom Donilon whether the U.S. Government compensates the innocent victims it kills outside of Afghanistan, and Donilon simply refused to answer (“I’m just not going to go there”). There’s no legitimate reason that this information should be concealed, but for a government that views disclosure as inherently unnecessary, that is enamored of its own secrecy power for its own sake, and that is desperate to prevent its citizens from knowing what it is doing, this sort of imperious decree of secrecy is the natural course (for an even more egregious case, see this amazing summary from the ACLU’s Ben Wizner on how Obama DOJ lawyers defend the U.S. government’s secret, definitively Kafkaesque, unappealable no-fly and Terrorist watch lists).


    That the U.S. is routinely killing innocent civilians in multiple Muslim countries is one of the great taboos in establishment media discourse. A film that do ents the horrors and Terror brought by the U.S. to innocent people — and the way in which that behavior constantly strengthens the Terrorists, thus eternally perpetuating its own justification — threatens to subvert that taboo. So this filmmaker is simply kept out of the country, in Pakistan, where he can do little harm to U.S. propaganda (as usual, U.S. government claims of secrecy based on national security are primarily geared toward ensuring effective propaganda — of the American citizenry).
    http://www.salon.com/2012/05/18/dron...isa/singleton/

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    A drone strike in Yemen last week resembled so many others from recent years: A hail of missiles slammed into a convoy of trucks on a remote desert road, killing at least 12 people.




    But this time the trucks were part of a wedding procession, making the customary journey from the groom’s house to the house of the bride.


    The Dec. 12 strike by the Pentagon, launched from an American base in Djibouti, killed at least a half-dozen innocent people, according to a number of tribal leaders and witnesses, and provoked a storm of outrage in the country. It also illuminated the reality behind the talk surrounding the Obama administration’s new drone policy, which was announced with fanfare seven months ago.


    Although American officials say they are being more careful before launching drone strikes in Yemen, Pakistan and elsewhere — and more transparent about the clandestine wars that President Obama has embraced — the strike last week offers a window on the intelligence breakdowns and continuing liability of a targeted killing program that remains almost entirely secret.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/wo...licy.html?_r=0

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    wedding parties are a huge risk to American national security.

    Will the er(s), assuming he/she/they have a smattering of a conscience, who pulled the trigger on the murderous drone strike sleep well?

    And the sheeple bleat out plaintively: "Why Do They Hate Us?"

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    It was an arranged marriage anyways, so what?

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    Wait till other nations start to use Drones on US Troops think about the fear they will have when troops think they are safe miles from combat listening to their iPods one minute and vaporized the next. I bet this country will immediately start to cry to the UN on rules of war.

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    It was an arranged marriage anyways, so what?



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    Al-Qaeda apologizes for deadly Yemen hospital attack

    A deadly Al-Qaeda attack this month on a Yemeni defence ministry hospital was a mistake and the jihadist network is ready to pay blood money, a top jihadist commander has said.

    The brazen daylight attack on the defence ministry complex on December 5 left 56 people dead, including patients and foreign medics from the Philippines, Germany, Vietnam and India.

    Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) has already claimed responsibility for the attack and late Saturday its military chief said in an online video the assault on the hospital had not been authorised.


    “The attack was on the ministry of defence, it was not on the hospital,” said AQAP military commander Qassem al-Rimi.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/2...spital-attack/



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    Drones are the . Maybe if the ing pedophile-worshiping cowards stopped trying to hide in civilian buildings and met us on the battlefield we wouldn't have to use them.

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    US Army Shoot Down Drones With Lasers

    So far the U.S Army has never used lasers in combat but it now has a new target, drones!

    For the first time last week, soldiers used a vehicle-mounted laser to successfully shoot down drones and incoming mortar s s. Terry Bauer, who is the program manager for the weapon named High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator, said that this new gun is not likely to be ready for combat until at least 2017.



    This laser, which is cost-effective and more efficient, was built out of necessity for use in bases located in Iraq and Afghanistan, where soldiers are often under attack by rockets, mortars and other airborne weapons.

    Designed by Boeing, the laser was created to be a beam that shoots from its turret and strikes incoming drones and other airborne weapons. Once the laser has hit the target, it then dissolves the device.

    Tests carried out at the missile range in New Mexico proved how effective this laser can be, where over 23 days it incinerated 90 mortars and several drones.

    Terry Bauer said of the tests, “Our first attempt to shoot down a UAV, it disabled it, and brought it down very quickly. We were very happy with the system’s performance.”

    The advantage of this system is that lasers are a lot less expensive than conventional weapons. It removes the need for trucks to deliver mortars to the various bases, solving some the Army’s logistical problems.

    “We’ve got to keep the vehicle fueled up, and that’s it,” Bauer said. “There’s no missile logistic trail that has to be brought with you.”

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    "it then dissolves the device."

    dissolves?



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    US Army Shoot Down Drones With Lasers

    So far the U.S Army has never used lasers in combat but it now has a new target, drones!

    For the first time last week, soldiers used a vehicle-mounted laser to successfully shoot down drones and incoming mortar s s. Terry Bauer, who is the program manager for the weapon named High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator, said that this new gun is not likely to be ready for combat until at least 2017.



    This laser, which is cost-effective and more efficient, was built out of necessity for use in bases located in Iraq and Afghanistan, where soldiers are often under attack by rockets, mortars and other airborne weapons.

    Designed by Boeing, the laser was created to be a beam that shoots from its turret and strikes incoming drones and other airborne weapons. Once the laser has hit the target, it then dissolves the device.

    Tests carried out at the missile range in New Mexico proved how effective this laser can be, where over 23 days it incinerated 90 mortars and several drones.

    Terry Bauer said of the tests, “Our first attempt to shoot down a UAV, it disabled it, and brought it down very quickly. We were very happy with the system’s performance.”

    The advantage of this system is that lasers are a lot less expensive than conventional weapons. It removes the need for trucks to deliver mortars to the various bases, solving some the Army’s logistical problems.

    “We’ve got to keep the vehicle fueled up, and that’s it,” Bauer said. “There’s no missile logistic trail that has to be brought with you.”
    didnt the chinese use one of these to shoot down a satellite?

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    Drones are the . Maybe if the ing pedophile-worshiping cowards stopped trying to hide in civilian buildings and met us on the battlefield we wouldn't have to use them.
    This. Just send a machine instead of risking more American lives.

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