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They also stuggle against more athletic teams HH. It's not a fluke they were bacdoor swept by the Thunder in 2012 and it's not really surprising they dropped the first two games to them this year.
When did I make a Spurs win prediction re: the OKC game?..I said the Spurs were going to lose prior to the game, tbh..find the post, I'm curious, you're playing with fire by bringing up past predictions
I don't really give a about this season's small sample size, it's only been a 25-game season so far, but still, the Spurs are 4th in the league in mid-range shot attempts allowed per game, it's the philosophy they utilize every year..I don't know what you're trying to argue, everybody here with any knowledge of the Spurs knows their philosophy
They're allowing more 3 attempts than they usually do, which obviously isn't by design, and something they will address, but they're still in the bottom 7 in corner 3-point shot attempts allowed per game..
Their success at guarding 3s this season had no part in my argument, I never claimed they have been good at guarding the 3 this year, nor do I care about small sample sizes..I'm merely pointing out Pop's philosophy that we have seen over the past few years and that he has spoken about..
It's also a fact that the Spurs struggle most with teams that have a big man that can shoot the ball from the mid-range..I'm not using a short-sighted sample size like you always do, I'm basing it on the past 3 years of basketball..
You said it, not me. We're 1/4th of the way through the season. I don't think they're SSS's anymore. Even so, you say that you don't like to use them but then you do. I wasn't talking philosophy, I was talking execution. But, thanks for moving the goal posts. In your previous post, you said the Spurs give up the mid range J's and guard against the three. That's clearly not happening. It doesn't matter if they're bottom 7 in corner three's. It's pretty pointless when your giving them up from everywhere else and most of them, being the uncontested variety.
Spurs and Thunder are 2 of the 4 legit contenders in the NBA, they're going to exchange wins in this meaningless regular season, tbh..
They also stuggle against more athletic teams HH. It's not a fluke they were bacdoor swept by the Thunder in 2012 and it's not really surprising they dropped the first two games to them this year.
Go look at the game thread, I said they were going to lose before the game, predictable loss..
And how can I move the goal posts when YOU replied to MY post about the Spurs strategy, and began arguing about execution?
The Spurs defensive scheme boils down to two principles:
1) Never allow middle penetration.
2) Force opposing players to take long 2s versus 3s or shots near the rim.
The reason for never allowing middle penetration is pretty obvious. If you allow middle penetration you open up a of lot more options for the opposing team's guard off penetration. By always funneling the opposing guard baseline, you limit their options and therefore maximize the probability of "guessing correctly" for help defense purposes, because the opposing team has only 2 or 3 sensible options off baseline penetration.
Against OKC in 2012, this defensive strategy essentially forced OKC's bigs to shoot an astronomical percentage from mid range to beat us (with ref help) in 6 games. I'd say it was a pretty good strategy in 2012.
If Collison, Ibaka, and Fisher go 23 for 25 from mid range you just have to tip your hat.
Oh, so you did say it. Did you predict a Spurs loss yesterday because that would be contradictory.
Go look at the game thread, I said they were going to lose before the game, predictable loss..
And how can I move the goal posts when YOU replied to MY post about the Spurs strategy, and began arguing about execution?
You made a blurb about strategy and I told you the strategy wasn't working. Then, you talked about how the team struggles against good shooting bigs. The Lakers have a good shooting big, as does Philly, as does GS, as does Miami etc. The Spurs struggle against athletic bigs because Tim Duncan isn't as mobile as he use to be and Tiago isn't very athletic and just gets overmatched. It doesn't really make a difference if they can hit a jum shot because they're giving those up anyways. They also struggle against teams with athletes that possess speed and quickness..... Harden, Iiliard, Paul, OKC etc. Green's regression, Beli's lack of D, Patty's inability to kee players in front of him and Parker's slow start have all been contributing factors.
Ibaka was 6-14 yesterday. I think the Spurs can live with that.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 12-23-2013 at 03:47 AM.
Ibaka hit a lot of shots in the restricted area too.
yep. he started ginobli. it was no coasting then. he seriously doesn't know everything like people up here claims he does..
Spurs not having athletic big that can defend the pick'n'roll is a big problem. Most of the time Parker has to defend 2vs1, normally you shouldn't even let a point guard going 1vs1.
Portland and Houston can cause some problems as well
Splitter is a good Pnr defender and Ayres is pretty athletic
Green/Westbrook=Last season-4 Games, 23.0 PPG ,36%FG, 28 3pt, 22 FGA per game.
This season-2 Games-18.5 PPG, 39% FG, 18 FGA Per Game
Leonard/Durant-41 mpg, 50% FG %,16 FGA, 23 PPG (5 below his average, 1 of those games, Green was the primary defender)
This season-2 Games-43 % FG, 18.5 FGA, 20.5 ppg) (5 below his average, 1 of those games, Green was the primary defender)
Splitter/Ibaka-4 Games-50% FG 10 FGA per game, 13.3 PPG
This season-2 Games-44%FG-14.5 FGA Per Game, 15.5 PPG
It works well against the Thunder. Last game Westbrook went off because we had Green on Durant and Parker on Westbrook.
The OP was talking about "Pop's defensive schemes" which seems to imply "Pop's philosophy".
Yeah! Lebron is on fire, we need to quit treating him like he isn't an NBA player and get on him. Kawhi has already proven he can bother James. We need to fix that pronto or it's the end for us this series.
June 2013
There are a few other factors but the to simplify it I think is spurs struggle greatly against athleticism. TD when he had younger legs would negate this quite a bit but father of time is a , and he is not capable of holding the fort down on his own against fast athletic players coming into the lane.
Their team is usually pretty sharp but Spurs still need at least 1 more quick lengthy "Young" player especially against the elite teams.
*Belinelli & Mills cut lead in 2nd quarter*
Pop: "WHAT THE ARE YALL DOING?! SIT NEXT TO BAYNES"
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