NBA: Proposal to Eliminate the Draft

[Chinook]

Giving bad teams an extra round of picks after the top 30 players are gone doesn't work in the NBA when there's little to no difference making talent left after the 1st round (for that matter almost all the difference making talent is gone after the first 10 picks).

People will reply with but Gilbert Arenas or but Manu Ginobili as if a slightly better chance at getting the once in a blue moon all star talent in the 2nd round will do enough to keep a ty small market team compe ive ignoring how re ed that argument is.

Yeah, probably. But I guess I believe there still needs to be some way to cycle talent to bad teams. Like the playoff teams need to give up a draft pick to sign RFAs but the lottery teams don't. Or maybe playoff teams have to lose a free agent to sign one.

[bluebellmaniac]

The new CBA is what will prevent all the top stars from moving to the big markets. Lakers are a prime example of how the new CBA will bring talent parity to the league. LAL will have at most 2 superstars. (Forget for the moment that superstar no longer refers to Kirby) So with KB getting $23M next year and if Melo comes over for another $20M, then there isn't much left for the existing players. Many of them will have to leave because LAL will have to renounce their rights in order to get Melo. This will leave the team with 2 "stars", a resigned player or two for about $3M - $5M each and the rest will be scrubs. Good luck putting a le contender with that.

Teams that succeed will have a balanced payroll.

A new draft system will help kill tanking. Tanking could be the current biggest danger to the league right now. It endangers the integrity of the game and if the integrity is compromised, it becomes a dead sport to a lot of people. The league needs to eliminate tanking and eliminate any "incentives" to not being compe ive.

I like the idea because the good it does far outweighs any negatives it does for losing teams. The last time we had a decent pick was a looooong time ago. We built this team with scouting and development. That should be the goal of the other teams as well. It should not be the goal to get a winning team by buying the perfect team with an unlimited wallet and not by being in the lottery for years on end.

[Rogue]

The league just give the goddamn pick to whoever they wanna give it to, they just fool you people into thinking it was a legit lottery when the "lottery" is just as much rigged as the game itself is. It's kinda like the "lottery" in The Island, where the winner gets to move to "The Island", while every human being that's not a ing moronic clone knows it's a total fake scam tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

The league just give the goddamn pick to whoever they wanna give it to, they just fool you people into thinking it was a legit lottery when the "lottery" is just as much rigged as the game itself is. It's kinda like the "lottery" in The Island, where the winner gets to move to "The Island", while every human being that's not a ing moronic clone knows it's a total fake scam tbh.

lol you actually watched that movie

[DMC]

It's not a bad suggestion, but they need to offset it with something that helps bad teams. Like, maybe giving "lottery" teams an extra MLE or an extra round of picks.

That defeats the purpose. Don't reward "lottery" teams. Otherwise you're just diluting the advantage of tanking.

[DMC]

This will kill small market bad teams. How exactly is a team like Milwaukee going to gain any attendance if they suck horribly, then their fans know for a certainty they're picking 26th and 22nd the next two years? The high pick every four years sounds good but some teams won't make it four years with bad attendance that becomes even worse when fans know they're absolutely guaranteed to suck at least 2 more years with zero hope.

The league could use a bit of that. I wouldn't mind seeing Milwaukee or Minnesota go s up tbh. Same for Charlotte and Washington (and Cleveland). They've historically fielded ty teams. I know Washington did ok when they had Arenas, but even that was one of the worst contracts in the history of contracts. Businesses that make bad decisions should close, not be rewarded with the latest, greatest discovery so they can become profitable again. I get it that they need each other else there's no compe ion, but the league needs to contract and players like Ayres and Blair need to be carrying out my ing groceries at HEB.

[DMC]

The new CBA is what will prevent all the top stars from moving to the big markets. Lakers are a prime example of how the new CBA will bring talent parity to the league. LAL will have at most 2 superstars. (Forget for the moment that superstar no longer refers to Kirby) So with KB getting $23M next year and if Melo comes over for another $20M, then there isn't much left for the existing players. Many of them will have to leave because LAL will have to renounce their rights in order to get Melo. This will leave the team with 2 "stars", a resigned player or two for about $3M - $5M each and the rest will be scrubs. Good luck putting a le contender with that.

Teams that succeed will have a balanced payroll.

A new draft system will help kill tanking. Tanking could be the current biggest danger to the league right now. It endangers the integrity of the game and if the integrity is compromised, it becomes a dead sport to a lot of people. The league needs to eliminate tanking and eliminate any "incentives" to not being compe ive.

I like the idea because the good it does far outweighs any negatives it does for losing teams. The last time we had a decent pick was a looooong time ago. We built this team with scouting and development. That should be the goal of the other teams as well. It should not be the goal to get a winning team by buying the perfect team with an unlimited wallet and not by being in the lottery for years on end.

You mean like how Miami has all those scrubs outside of Wade and James. You know, Allen, Bosh, Battier... those scrubs?

Let's cut the and be honest: The Spurs have success because they had 2 of the greatest 1st overall picks ever. That doesn't explain longevity, but the Bulls won 6 in less years than the Spurs have taken to win 4. That's because the talent was diluted after David retired. We won 2 more, but it took some goings on and fortunate events to get there.

Without the 1st overall pick of Tim Duncan due to a ty season record, the Spurs are 0 and forever I am sure.

[Rogue]

lol you actually watched that movie

I've watched every single film our goddess has acted in tbh (movies she played significant roles in, to be more accurate), even including the earliest ones like Manny & Lo and The horse Whisperer, each of which took me like a week something to download. Maybe Perfect Score is the only exception, because it'd piss me off to see an Asian hovering around with our goddess tbh.

[Chinook]

That defeats the purpose. Don't reward "lottery" teams. Otherwise you're just diluting the advantage of tanking.

The intent behind giving the worst teams the first shots at good players is a good one. But in practice it is too big of an incentive to tank. So of you decrease the amount of aid given to bad teams, the incentive to tank decreases as well. It's one thing to tank for a high draft pick in a loaded class. It's another to tank for a third-round selection or an extra MLE. No one is going to purposefully suck for that. Also, it would completely remove the incentive to really tank, since there would be no advantage to being last place over being 14th place.

[bluebellmaniac]

You mean like how Miami has all those scrubs outside of Wade and James. You know, Allen, Bosh, Battier... those scrubs?

Let's cut the and be honest: The Spurs have success because they had 2 of the greatest 1st overall picks ever. That doesn't explain longevity, but the Bulls won 6 in less years than the Spurs have taken to win 4. That's because the talent was diluted after David retired. We won 2 more, but it took some goings on and fortunate events to get there.

Without the 1st overall pick of Tim Duncan due to a ty season record, the Spurs are 0 and forever I am sure.

We also haven't had a decent pick since we nabbed TD. Image how good we'd be if we had the occassional top 12 pick or better.

And Bosh was part of the original big 3 that Miami was able to pull together under the old CBA. They also kept decent $ contracts that have been useful to attracting additional talent for cheap. Miami will eventually have to compete on the same terms, but that will come in time.

[JMarkJohns]

Only benefit here is it means no additional expansion teams for 30, tbh...

[rayjayjohnson]

As far as I can tell, nfl teams don't tank. Falcs played hard against those got niners today, surely losing was better for their draft prospects

[rayjayjohnson]

We also haven't had a decent pick since we nabbed TD. Image how good we'd be if we had the occassional top 12 pick or better.

And Bosh was part of the original big 3 that Miami was able to pull together under the old CBA. They also kept decent $ contracts that have been useful to attracting additional talent for cheap. Miami will eventually have to compete on the same terms, but that will come in time.

spurfan who probably nutted over splitter

[rayjayjohnson]

If you connect the red numbers, you get the devil's symbol, so it's entirely plausible this is Stern's idea...

You mean the Star of David?

jews

[DMC]

We also haven't had a decent pick since we nabbed TD. Image how good we'd be if we had the occassional top 12 pick or better.

And Bosh was part of the original big 3 that Miami was able to pull together under the old CBA. They also kept decent $ contracts that have been useful to attracting additional talent for cheap. Miami will eventually have to compete on the same terms, but that will come in time.

Without TD, Manu doesn't come to SA.

Tim is the cornerstone, undeniably so, for the Spurs franchise since his arrival. If you wanted to change the Spurs to a zero ring team, just miss drafting Tim. You cannot just remove Tim from the equation and leave all those guys who came to play with Tim. Superstars, especially juggernauts like Tim, Shaq and Lebron, people want to play with them. We've gotten some good foreign talent because of it. If Tim was drafted by LA instead of SA, they'd probably be 8 rings richer from all the people wanting to go there.

[DMC]

The intent behind giving the worst teams the first shots at good players is a good one. But in practice it is too big of an incentive to tank. So of you decrease the amount of aid given to bad teams, the incentive to tank decreases as well. It's one thing to tank for a high draft pick in a loaded class. It's another to tank for a third-round selection or an extra MLE. No one is going to purposefully suck for that. Also, it would completely remove the incentive to really tank, since there would be no advantage to being last place over being 14th place.

And then what's the advantage to being 14th instead of dead last?

[rayjayjohnson]

Without TD, Manu doesn't come to SA.

Tim is the cornerstone, undeniably so, for the Spurs franchise since his arrival. If you wanted to change the Spurs to a zero ring team, just miss drafting Tim. You cannot just remove Tim from the equation and leave all those guys who came to play with Tim. Superstars, especially juggernauts like Tim, Shaq and Lebron, people want to play with them. We've gotten some good foreign talent because of it. If Tim was drafted by LA instead of SA, they'd probably be 8 rings richer from all the people wanting to go there.

Yeah. NBA players love a pussy cucked teammate

[Bill_Brasky]

Would definitely force teams to be smarter FO wise in order to be compe ive. The problem is, is there enough talent to go around for this to work? I'm not so sure.

[Chinook]

And then what's the advantage to being 14th instead of dead last?

You're a better team? You don't have to trade away your talent to suck badly enough to get the benefit. It's not like front offices like having terrible rosters. That leads to coaching turnover and general discontent. Right now, teams only tank because there's an incentive to be truly terrible. In this scenario, it wouldn't really be an incentive to miss the playoffs, but rather a way to mildly help struggling teams. It's like compensatory picks in the NFL. No football team purposefully avoids re-signing star free agents just to get some mid-to-late round draft choice.

[bluebellmaniac]

Without TD, Manu doesn't come to SA.

Tim is the cornerstone, undeniably so, for the Spurs franchise since his arrival. If you wanted to change the Spurs to a zero ring team, just miss drafting Tim. You cannot just remove Tim from the equation and leave all those guys who came to play with Tim. Superstars, especially juggernauts like Tim, Shaq and Lebron, people want to play with them. We've gotten some good foreign talent because of it. If Tim was drafted by LA instead of SA, they'd probably be 8 rings richer from all the people wanting to go there.

Maybe we would have had the #1 the year TD entered the draft, who knows? What we do know is that in this "circle" draft proposal, we'd have had a lot better drafting position for the past 10+ years. As for Manu, I'm sure that since we owned Manu's draft rights, he would have come anyways. We'd have additional talent for him to play with in any case.

Would LAL be 8 rings richer? They'd have at least 3 more if Shaq had stayed, but Kirby was so caustic, no one wanted to play with him. Why haven't they loaded up on talent like Miami? Everyone hates Kirby. He kills careers!

Under the "circle" draft proposal, I think we go from a "mediocre" team in a few years to potentially staying a top tier team for as long as Pop stays.

[TheyCallMePro]

Still like my idea better. Keep the regular season exciting throughout by guaranteeing that the last 4 teams in the standings get the last 4 picks in the draft. That way there will be a bloodbath for even the non-playoff teams to win games throughout the regular season. It will eliminate tanking and create drama at both the top and bottom of the standings. The only difference will be that the lottery will start with teams in the standings ranked 5-18 instead of 1-14. Problem solved.

[Bill_Brasky]

Also its pretty ing lame watching teams like Utah and Cleveland up lottery picks year after year.

[rayjayjohnson]

Also its pretty ing lame watching teams like Utah and Cleveland up lottery picks year after year.

errr, jazz were conference semis a few years ago

[DMC]

The problem with any system is that it doesn't take into account the human tendency to find loopholes and exploit that system. The draft lottery, as constructed, is fine except that it doesn't take into account tanking to get that pick. It says a lot about the overall talent in the league when a college or HS player will cause a team to lose it's season just for a chance to acquire him. That means there's too many ty players on too many teams. If the league contracted, we could get good players throughout the roster, and those guys coming out of college or HS would have a hard row to hoe getting into the league. Right now a HS kid gets more buzz than a 5 year vet.

[ElNono]

You mean the Star of David?

jews

Not into religious stuff, but isn't the devils pentagram like that too?