Lakers: looking to trade MVPau for Bynum

[Expert]

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we don't want to make our team better we just want to prevent the Lakers from getting better in the future

thanks for the alert, that way I didn't have to read the rest.

[Koolaid_Man]

That is at least fair, but you blokes especially AMb ... blow that Pau is the MVP of the Lakers, tour our record without Pau but now he is not worth a first rounder? What is does for the Lakers is secondary ... you make a trade to better your team. IF the Lakers were going to be le contenders because of this deal (they are not) then you factor that in ...but when making trades your primary focus should be on the benefits to your own team.

we got what we need from PAUssy...

Kobe 5
TOSF 4


PAUssy is worth everything and more

[Koolaid_Man]

thanks for the alert, that way I didn't have to read the rest.

not bad

[DPG21920]

That is at least fair, but you blokes especially AMb ... blow that Pau is the MVP of the Lakers, tour our record without Pau but now he is not worth a first rounder? What is does for the Lakers is secondary ... you make a trade to better your team. IF the Lakers were going to be le contenders because of this deal (they are not) then you factor that in ...but when making trades your primary focus should be on the benefits to your own team.

It has nothing to do with fearing making the Lakers better, it's about value. If you are saving a team 20M, no matter who it is, you don't pay a premium (i.e. a first round draft pick) in order to do that. There are many variables to consider: player for player, financials, contracts, fit, what it does for the other team... . It's not just a bland "well, this guy theoretically makes our team better this one half of a season so we do anything we can to get that guy".

Pau would only be a half season rental since he's expiring. He would make them better on paper if healthy, but not a contender. They need draft picks to continue building. They would also be saving LA 20M while not making them worse in the sense of what their reality is (non playoff team) and would actually help LA with their plan this year (tanking).

Under no cir stances does CLE giving up a first round pick to take on money/half season rental and save LA 20M make sense. Doesn't mean it won't/can't happen or that LA shouldn't ask, but LA is really, really stupid if they lose out on this opp to save money because they are trying to ask for a first rounder. LA might be that stupid though because they may believe they have a playoff team this year even though all the evidence suggest otherwise.

Unless LA is strongly leaning towards re-signing Pau, they should do this deal no matter what.

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Gasol is worth a first rounder to some team possibly, just not CLE.

Yer nuts. He's finished. He can't move his legs & feet.

[DPG21920]

what does that have to do with making your team better? when you're saving a team your making yours better...you can't split hairs in such a fashion unless you work in a botique...now you want to go with the "if he were younger clause"....the "helping them tank theory" you're just full of dookie

This literally makes no sense.

[DPG21920]

Yer nuts. He's finished. He can't move his legs & feet.

The team that Pau would be worth the first rounder to wouldn't have a first rounder that is worth anything major. If you can bring in Pau as your third option because you are already a playoff team, it's quite worth it for the right fit/scenario. Especially if that pick is 25+.

[Expert]

Yer nuts. He's finished. He can't move his legs & feet.

I think you'd be surprised at how well he can actually move if he wants to.

[Koolaid_Man]

It has nothing to do with fearing making the Lakers better, it's about value. If you are saving a team 20M, no matter who it is, you don't pay a premium (i.e. a first round draft pick) in order to do that. There are many variables to consider: player for player, financials, contracts, fit, what it does for the other team... . It's not just a bland "well, this guy theoretically makes our team better this one half of a season so we do anything we can to get that guy".

Pau would only be a half season rental since he's expiring. He would make them better on paper if healthy, but not a contender. They need draft picks to continue building. They would also be saving LA 20M while not making them worse in the sense of what their reality is (non playoff team) and would actually help LA with their plan this year (tanking).

Under no cir stances does CLE giving up a first round pick to take on money/half season rental and save LA 20M make sense. Doesn't mean it won't/can't happen or that LA shouldn't ask, but LA is really, really stupid if they lose out on this opp to save money because they are trying to ask for a first rounder. LA might be that stupid though because they may believe they have a playoff team this year even though all the evidence suggest otherwise.

Unless LA is strongly leaning towards re-signing Pau, they should do this deal no matter what.

ohh snap....now he's going with the variables theory Pau makes Clev better is the short end of it...even though Bynum and Pau are no longer interested in the game Pau will give them so much more including leadership....it's a good deal they shouldn't be worried at all about what they're helping the Lakers "save" it's irrelevant...all that matters is what players they're giving up in return...ok mental midget....stop trying to match your intellect with your height

[DPG21920]

That is at least fair, but you blokes especially AMb ... blow that Pau is the MVP of the Lakers, tout our record without Pau but now he is not worth a first rounder? What it does for the Lakers is secondary ... you make a trade to better your team. IF the Lakers were going to be le contenders because of this deal (they are not) then you factor that in ...but when making trades your primary focus should be on the benefits to your own team.

Oh and LOL at the outcries over "trade speculation"

Also if it was Waiters in the deal i would get the hand wringing ...

From what i hear Cavs are insisting if it is a pick it's in 2015 (weaker draft) and my guess it would be protected (no top 3) ...

It's not like a Pau steal type of deal even if a 1st is included ...

Outside of the Dwight deal, that would go down as Mitch's finest trade if he nets a first rounder in addition to saving 20M. It would be an incredible steal if that is the case.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think you'd be surprised at how well he can actually move if he wants to.

that's what duncan said....


(in bed)

[Killakobe81]

The team that Pau would be worth the first rounder to wouldn't have a first rounder that is worth anything major. If you can bring in Pau as your third option because you are already a playoff team, it's quite worth it for the right fit/scenario. Especially if that pick is 25+.

I agree and that was my point. Cleveland is far from a contender but with Cleveland he would be a third option and if the Cavs make the playoffs as a 6th seed a first rounder is what at 17th pick at best? If they make it a 2015 and even if pau walks then it's probably still in that range (East sucks) and the draft is much weaker.

[DPG21920]

ohh snap....now he's going with the variables theory Pau makes Clev better is the short end of it...even though Bynum and Pau are no longer interested in the game Pau will give them so much more including leadership....it's a good deal they shouldn't be worried at all about what they're helping the Lakers "save" it's irrelevant...all that matters is what players they're giving up in return...ok mental midget....stop trying to match your intellect with your height

That literally doesn't make any sense. What they are giving LA (either talented players, draft picks, savings) all factors into a trade. You don't just give a team everything they ask for just because you make your team better

[DPG21920]

I agree and that was my point. Cleveland is far from a contender but with Cleveland he would be a third option and if the Cavs make the playoffs as a 6th seed a first rounder is what at 17th pick at best? If they make it a 2015 and even if pau walks then it's probably still in that range (East sucks) and the draft is much weaker.

Killa, a top 20 pick is very valuable. Any first rounder is. The point was that a team that is contending (not CLE) could add Pau as their 3rd option and have a shot at being a legit contender (not CLE) and then a first rounder may be worth it. It wouldn't be worth it for CLE because not only is Pau not going to make them a contender (even if he is their 2nd or 3rd option) but they are already giving LA one of the best deals they could possibly get financially so they don't have to pay more.

If a bunch of people line up for Pau and offer a ton and CLE believes they could be a contender with Pau then maybe, but that is clearly not the case here.

[Koolaid_Man]

That literally doesn't make any sense. What they are giving LA (either talented players, draft picks, savings) all factors into a trade. You don't just give a team everything they ask for just because you make your team better

gotdam lil homie.......

do you understand the concept of shareholder value? apparently not....

[DPG21920]

CLE isn't even a playoff team is the East when everyone is tanking The certainly wouldn't be one next year if Pau walks and everyone who tanked has a stud player through the draft and is actually trying to win.

[DPG21920]

gotdam lil homie.......

do you understand the concept of shareholder value? apparently not....

You are really dumb. A pick may be included be CLE, but the logic you use is horrifically bad. If you weren't a human, you would have been put to sleep already.

[Koolaid_Man]

You are really dumb. A pick may be included be CLE, but the logic you use is horrifically bad. If you weren't a human, you would have been put to sleep already.

do you understand the concept of shareholder value?

[Phillip]

If this happens, the Lakers just screwed the NBA for another couple years...

As soon as Bynum gets waived by LA, you can bet that he will just go sign with the Heat for a small contract. And any chance that Indy had at beating them is gone.

[Koolaid_Man]

If this happens, the Lakers just screwed the NBA for another couple years...

As soon as Bynum gets waived by LA, you can bet that he will just go sign with the Heat for a small contract. And any chance that Indy had at beating them is gone.

Baby Drew is a stoner...he cannot and won't thrive if he's not at least 2nd option...he's not interested in playing defense...he's too young and immature to listen to any of that at this point...he'll smoke his life away in Miami

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If this happens, the Lakers just screwed the NBA for another couple years...

As soon as Bynum gets waived by LA, you can bet that he will just go sign with the Heat for a small contract. And any chance that Indy had at beating them is gone.

This is out of NYC. Blame them.

[DPG21920]

do you understand the concept of shareholder value?

You don't.

[DPG21920]

If this happens, the Lakers just screwed the NBA for another couple years...

As soon as Bynum gets waived by LA, you can bet that he will just go sign with the Heat for a small contract. And any chance that Indy had at beating them is gone.

How? Bynum is gone wether CLE trades him or not. It doesn't matter if LA waives him or CLE; If Bynum wants to go to the Heat and they want him, he's going either way. A trade doesn't change that. CLE will either waive him or trade him and he will be waived by that team.

[Phillip]

Baby Drew is a stoner...he cannot and won't thrive if he's not at least 2nd option...he's not interested in playing defense...he's too young and immature to listen to any of that at this point...he'll smoke his life away in Miami

He doesn't need to thrive. He just needs to clog the paint and rebound. He just lost himself what, $10 mil $20 mil? I don't recall what his contract was, but he certainly lost a lot of money. You can bet that he will give more effort at this point. And if he doesnt, oh well. Miami is probably going to still 3-peat anyways. But at least this way he can ball out for a season, win a le, and get paid.

[Koolaid_Man]

You don't.

I guess I destroyed all of your ranting to Killa with one simple question....you should really think sometimes before you go on these anti Laker rants...I know you don't know what the you're talking about 75% of the time and this topic is prime example...but I am curious to know if you know how shareholder value relates to the Cavs doing what's best for their team despite what the Lakers ask for....is there a correlation in your view?