Lakers: looking to trade MVPau for Bynum

[Phillip]

How? Bynum is gone wether CLE trades him or not. It doesn't matter if LA waives him or CLE; If Bynum wants to go to the Heat and they want him, he's going either way. A trade doesn't change that. CLE will either waive him or trade him and he will be waived by that team.

Okay.

Point is, he will probably end up with the Heat.

[Koolaid_Man]

He doesn't need to thrive. He just needs to clog the paint and rebound. He just lost himself what, $10 mil $20 mil? I don't recall what his contract was, but he certainly lost a lot of money. You can bet that he will give more effort at this point. And if he doesnt, oh well. Miami is probably going to still 3-peat anyways. But at least this way he can ball out for a season, win a le, and get paid.

I'm hoping Boston hates Ray Allen so much and Loves Larry Bird so much till they gift Rondo to Indy...that happens it won't matter what Miami does..I do think they'll beat Indy because Paul for as good as he is..plays with the ball too much...

[spurraider21]

I guess I destroyed all of your ranting to Killa with one simple question....you should really think sometimes before you go on these anti Laker rants...I know you don't know what the you're talking about 75% of the time and this topic is prime example...but I am curious to know if you know how shareholder value relates to the Cavs doing what's best for their team despite what the Lakers ask for....is there a correlation in your view?

you are essentially saying cleveland should bend over and give whatever the Lakers ask for just because it makes their team better. everything has its price, including a half season rental of Pau Gasol.

to make it easier for you to understand, a vibrating dildo would certainly improve your quality of life. i'm sure you would pay 30 dollars for it. but would you pay 200? no? why not? i mean it makes your life better...

[Koolaid_Man]

you are essentially saying cleveland should bend over and give whatever the Lakers ask for just because it makes their team better. everything has its price, including a half season rental of Pau Gasol.

YES!!!! and I had no idea I was surrounded by this many idiots...


if it's gonna make me better by adding value...I will give you whatever you want...incidentally whatever you want could be a bag of chips or it could be 20 gold bars...there is no law of diminishing returns at work here because again...I'm making my team better....if I'm making my team better I'm taking on more assets while diminishing my liabilities...assets - liabilities = net worth

[Koolaid_Man]

you are essentially saying cleveland should bend over and give whatever the Lakers ask for just because it makes their team better. everything has its price, including a half season rental of Pau Gasol.

to make it easier for you to understand, a vibrating dildo would certainly improve your quality of life. i'm sure you would pay 30 dollars for it. but would you pay 200? no? why not? i mean it makes your life better...

extremely poor analogy

[spurraider21]

YES!!!! and I had no idea I was surrounded by this many idiots...


if it's gonna make me better by adding value...I will give you whatever you want...incidentally whatever you want could be a bag of chips or it could be 20 gold bars...there is no law of diminishing returns at work here because again...I'm making my team better....if I'm making my team better I'm taking on more assets while diminishing my liabilities...assets - liabilities = net worth

the assets include a half year rental of gasol where they won't be competing anyway
the liability = bynum, who they could waive anyway and save money instead of piling on gasol

in addition they're going to throw in a valuable first round pick? no.

the first round pick has value as well, which you are leaving out of your equation.

[spurraider21]

extremely poor analogy

no, its spot on. making an improvement (in the cavs case, gasol) doesn't mean there is no price tag. gasol makes them a better team, but that improvement does not match the value of monetary savings in addition to a first round pick

[DPG21920]

Kool is really stupid and uneducated. He doesn't understand the buzz words he googled.

[Koolaid_Man]

the assets include a half year rental of gasol where they won't be competing anyway
the liability = bynum, who they could waive anyway and save money instead of piling on gasol

in addition they're going to throw in a valuable first round pick? no.

the first round pick has value as well, which you are leaving out of your equation.

nope I factored the pick in...it's equal value given Bynum's health and the unproven rookie "commodity"...they're trying to make a strong Push and Gasol is that piece that makes you compe ive...every business has to assess what cons utes values what generates revenue and what increases (shareholder value)...their ability to retain that asset and re-sign that asset at a lower cost...the excitement it generates alone would be enough for me to pull the trigger...Rings, Gold Medals, Chip on his shoulder, for essentially an unproven rookie...I'd pull the trigger in this case...as a business man Laker savings is not even a factor in my view if I'm Cav mgmt....

in my educated opinion it's a call Cavs will need to make but I think you and Deepy couldn't be more wrong

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool is really stupid and uneducated. He doesn't understand the buzz words he googled.

perhaps...or perhaps not see my avi

[spurraider21]

nope I factored the pick in...it's equal value given Bynum's health and the unproven rookie "commodity"...they're trying to make a strong Push and Gasol is that piece that makes you compe ive...every business has to assess what cons utes values what generates revenue and what increases (shareholder value)...their ability to retain that asset and re-sign that asset at a lower cost...the excitement it generates alone would be enough for me to pull the trigger...Rings, Gold Medals, Chip on his shoulder, for essentially an unproven rookie...I'd pull the trigger in this case...as a business man Laker savings is not even a factor in my view if I'm Cav mgmt....

in my educated opinion it's a call Cavs will need to make but I think you and Deepy couldn't be more wrong

they could waive bynum and get away from the financial commitment. his health isn't a concern. in fact, bynum has value right now due to his contract not being guaranteed. they could just save money and waive him. before the deadline (i believe january 4, though don't quote me on that), they are shopping that contract around to see what they can get from a team looking to save money. they aren't trying to unload a first round pick in the process

[Koolaid_Man]

no, its spot on. making an improvement (in the cavs case, gasol) doesn't mean there is no price tag. gasol makes them a better team, but that improvement does not match the value of monetary savings in addition to a first round pick

savings? in business there's always a price tag...Gasol making them a better team increases revenue and helps you win NOW...in other words winning now increases revenue...you get Marginal increases with a Rookie (based on the draft position) hence you get better value with a known proven commodity....see my previous explanation if you need further understanding....

[Koolaid_Man]

they could waive bynum and get away from the financial commitment. his health isn't a concern. in fact, bynum has value right now due to his contract not being guaranteed. they could just save money and waive him. before the deadline (i believe january 4, though don't quote me on that), they are shopping that contract around to see what they can get from a team looking to save money. they aren't trying to unload a first round pick in the process

Gasol is a player they've coveted for years...you can google that fact...while I do believe in the Cliche "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" savings are moot if you have expenses and bring in no revenue...you can have a load of cap space but if you're not winning you're not maximizing profits...Gasol helps to do that by helping your play-off seeding....it's a win win for all

[Koolaid_Man]

gotta run...going to work out my legs...I find that a good leg workout (deep squats) before a night of raunchy sex always make it better

[I. Hustle]

gotta run...going to work out my legs...I find that a good leg workout (deep squats) before a night of raunchy sex always make it better

So you work on your SQUATTING before you have sex? Makes sense. Actually does this time.

[Jodelo]

and it's not even close

[lmbebo]

If I'm cleveland, I hold Bynum to his contract and let him sit at home all year.

Cut him at the end of the year. Let him do what he wants then.

He's not a seasoned vet asking for 1 last ride into the sunset. He's a spoiled big man who doesn't want to uphold his end of the very generous contract he signed with cleveland.

[Killakobe81]

Man this thread has legs!!!
Probably won't happen, and I would applaud this discussion if anal bleeding, trolling and other agendas weren't at play ....

[Killakobe81]

If I'm cleveland, I hold Bynum to his contract and let him sit at home all year.

Cut him at the end of the year. Let him do what he wants then.

He's not a seasoned vet asking for 1 last ride into the sunset. He's a spoiled big man who doesn't want to uphold his end of the very generous contract he signed with cleveland.

Hold on, where in his contract does it say he cannot bang the assistant coach's wife?

[spurraider21]

Gasol is a player they've coveted for years...you can google that fact...while I do believe in the Cliche "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" savings are moot if you have expenses and bring in no revenue...you can have a load of cap space but if you're not winning you're not maximizing profits...Gasol helps to do that by helping your play-off seeding....it's a win win for all

i'm sure they coveted mvpau for years, i dont need to google that. but "for years" tells me they wanted him since his late 20's. now he's approaching mid 30's and is an impending free agent

[DPG21920]

We don't know if CLE will trade Bynum to LA and if LA will get a pick, but we do know that Koolaid Mans logic of why it's a good idea for CLE to include a pick is horrifically bad. CLE is a crappy franchise so they may end up doing something stupid, but his logic and the way he explains how he see's things doesn't make sense.

Not only does he not understand basketball, he doesn't even understand simple business concepts. His use of "shareholder value" then his explanation shows me he is actually dumb even when he's trying to have an actual basketball discussion. I do applaud him for taking my advice and actually trying to talk basketball, but damn he's really bad at it.

[LkrFan]

Welfare money spent on a computer doesn't make it a government computer you ignorant .

[Koolaid_Man]

We don't know if CLE will trade Bynum to LA and if LA will get a pick, but we do know that Koolaid Mans logic of why it's a good idea for CLE to include a pick is horrifically bad. CLE is a crappy franchise so they may end up doing something stupid, but his logic and the way he explains how he see's things doesn't make sense.

Not only does he not understand basketball, he doesn't even understand simple business concepts. His use of "shareholder value" then his explanation shows me he is actually dumb even when he's trying to have an actual basketball discussion. I do applaud him for taking my advice and actually trying to talk basketball, but damn he's really bad at it.

you ever hear that song by baby face..."And Our Feelings"

[DPG21920]

I guarantee that while most of us will be out with friends/family/dates Kool will be posting on ST throughout the night.

[Koolaid_Man]

I guarantee that while most of us will be out with friends/family/dates Kool will be posting on ST throughout the night.

wanna bet? plans are set baby....I got two girls tonight....I'm getting used to doubles tbh