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Did you get that off Lakersground?
The case for the Lakers and Kobe Bryant is a very simple one. Kobe’s Lakers made it to seven NBA Finals, winning five, and repeated as champions three times. In the two Finals that Bryant lost, in 2004 and 2008, the Lakers defeated Duncan’s Spurs en route to the NBA Finals. I’d welcome anyone who wants to refute and make the case that a year in which the Spurs were defeated by the Lakers was a more successful one than one in which the Lakers lost in the NBA Finals after beating the Spurs.The argument made most often in favor of the Spurs and Duncan is that they’ve won at least 50 games in each of Duncan’s seasons as a pro, except for the abbreviated 50-game season in 1999 when they won 37. That’s an incredible feat. The problem is that it’s a diversion. You know who touts 50-win seasons? Teams and fans who want to distract you away from what it is they failed to do. In the Spurs case, what they don’t want you to notice is just how many times they were eliminated from the playoffs and failed to meet expectations.Even if you exclude the playoff that Duncan missed in 2000 with a torn meniscus, there are still six other instances in which the Spurs were eliminated from the playoffs with home court advantage: in 2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, and 2012. Look closer at those six series and you’ll see that they were swept in 2001, lost a Game 7 at home in 2006, were eliminated 4-1 in the first round to sixth-seeded Dallas in 2009, lost to the 8th-seeded Grizzlies in 2011, and were defeated in both 2004 and 2011 in series in which they led 2-0 before losing four straight games. It would be irresponsible for me not to mention that the sweep in 2001 and their six-game loss in 2004 both came against the Lakers, but the one in 2001 was the only one that came against a team that went on to win a championship.I’m just trying to remind people that more often than not, and especially over the last five years, they have underachieved. I don’t care how you spin it. Losing a series with home court advantage in a season in which you won 58 or more games and were the first or second-seed is underachieving. And it happened far too often during the Tim Duncan era to give him a passNow compare that to Kobe and the Lakers who were only defeated in the playoffs with home court advantage twice — first to the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals and then to eventual champion Dallas in 2011 — a sweep that came after three consecutive NBA Finals appearances.
**So if you’re scoring at home, Kobe’s Lakers teams have not only repeated as NBA Champs three times but have also repeated as Western Conference Champions four times — both feats the Spurs have failed to accomplish even once.
Going back to Duncan’s rookie year and excluding this year’s Kobe-less series, the Lakers and Spurs have met in the playoffs six times, with the Lakers winning four of the six meetings. So while Duncan’s Spurs can boast a 39-38 edge in regular season wins, Bryant’s Lakers hold a 16-12 lead in playoff games. If you exclude the Spurs sweep of the Lakers in the 50-game season of 1999 with Kurt Rambis as interim coach, they are 16-8 vs. the Spurs in the playoffs since 2001. That’s eight total victories in six series against the Phil Jackson-coached Lakers, an average of 1.33 wins per series.
if you made a list of the five best teammates Duncan played with over this entire career, he never had to play without at least one of them.
the lack of a repeat les combined with the Lakers edge in head-to-head playoff match-ups are both too big to ignore. If that’s not enough, you’d also have to dock the Spurs for having won one of their four les in a 50-game season and winning the other three while the Lakers were either rebuilding or attempting to do something that hadn’t been done in 41 years — win a fourth straight championships. By comparison, all five Lakers championships came during this Spurs run of 50-win seasons.
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Did you get that off Lakersground?
^ No...
Kool-Droppin truth bombs 24/7
Koolaid_Man with the goods tbh.
all you silly puppets backing up Kool's ty threads
Yep, the confirmation that comes with back-to-back is vacant upon the Spur's manifest.
& of course 6 doesn't lend itself well either.
Laker semen shield federation in full god dam effect in this effect.
I guess u agree with the article then? Since you failed to post a rebuttal?
not a word of untruth spoken in the OP just pure action
Give me the article then.
Fan fiction doesn't count. This was written by a Kobe nuthugger. You can smell it from a mile away.
The power of google says...
http://www.lakersnation.com/duncan-s...ra/2013/06/06/
Andrew Ungvari
Andrew Ungvari is a Los Angeles native and a Lakers season ticket holder since 1989. Follow him on twitter @DrewUnga.
This was an article? Didn't look like an article ol' sport but good points, I hope it helps you sleep well
straightfacts
Duncan vs Kobe in a nuts , even w/o Duncan’s possible 5th ring:
Rings as main man: Duncan (at least 3, 4 can be argued) >>> Kobe (at most 2, 1 can be argued)
MVPs: Duncan(2) >>> Kobe(1)
Finals MVPs: Duncan(3) > Kobe(2)
Playoff win shares: Duncan(4th all-time) > Kobe(8th all-time)
Duncan has always been ahead of Kobe. If he wins his 5th ring, he’s a legit top 5 all-time player (Jordan, Jabbar, Russel, Magic, Duncan). When he retires, he could be top 3.
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Lolz to all of this.
LOL getting destroyed on his own article.
2001 was against prime Diesel and Kirby was on fire, there was no way we were stopping them, they finished 15-1 and are known as the GOAT playoff team, I'm not ashamed that we lost then.
2004, Fisher hit a lucky ass shot that turned the series around for them
2006 Manu ing ginobili...YOU'RE UP 3 AND HE'S GOING FOR 2, YOU DON'T ING FOUL SOMEONE GOING FOR A ING LAYUP, JUST GIVE UP THE ING 2 IF YOU HAVE TO JESUS ING CHRIST
2009 Manu was injured and the rest of the roster was just pathetic...
2011 oh hey, Manu, our leading scorer, is injured yet again
2012 another ing screwjob
We might as well point out the years the Lakers shat the bed
2003 - Spurs ended your dynasty on your home ing floor, great job, gots
2004 - lost in the Finals to the ing Pisstons? The same ones we beat the following year?
2006 - up 3 -1 against the Suns, who were missing Amare? Their best scorer? Coached by MDA? Really? Phil Jackson and the guy that can score 81 in a game can't close out the game on their home floor? Tim ing Thomas s on your team? Kirby game 7
2008 - up 20+ points on your home floor, you lose the game? Blown out by 40+ points in the last game of the Finals? Really Kirby?
2012 - Kirby s the bed the entire series against OKC in the 4th quarter, except for the game the team had like 45 free throws? Great job.
Every team has their fair share of playoff chokejobs. I'll take the 4 les
he spoketh not a word of untruthThe power of google says...
http://www.lakersnation.com/duncan-s...ra/2013/06/06/
Andrew Ungvari
Andrew Ungvari is a Los Angeles native and a Lakers season ticket holder since 1989. Follow him on twitter @DrewUnga.
lame rebuttal2001 was against prime Diesel and Kirby was on fire, there was no way we were stopping them, they finished 15-1 and are known as the GOAT playoff team, I'm not ashamed that we lost then.
2004, Fisher hit a lucky ass shot that turned the series around for them
2006 Manu ing ginobili...YOU'RE UP 3 AND HE'S GOING FOR 2, YOU DON'T ING FOUL SOMEONE GOING FOR A ING LAYUP, JUST GIVE UP THE ING 2 IF YOU HAVE TO JESUS ING CHRIST
2009 Manu was injured and the rest of the roster was just pathetic...
2011 oh hey, Manu, our leading scorer, is injured yet again
2012 another ing screwjob
We might as well point out the years the Lakers shat the bed
2003 - swept by the ing Spurs on their home floor, great job, gots
2004 - lost in the Finals to the ing Pisstons? The same ones we beat the following year?
2006 - up 3 -1 against the Suns, who were missing Amare? Their best scorer? Coached by MDA? Really? Phil Jackson and the guy that can score 81 in a game can't close out the game on their home floor? Tim ing Thomas s on your team? Kirby game 7
2008 - up 20+ points on your home floor, you lose the game? Blown out by 40+ points in the last game of the Finals? Really Kirby?
2012 - Kirby s the bed the entire series against OKC in the 4th quarter, except for the game the team had like 45 free throws? Great job.
Every team has their fair share of playoff chokejobs. I'll take the 4 les
I'll take the 4 les and the sweep to close the forum and the 2003 series
Laker Boots to Spur Asses!
After all thatyou would think so but in reality we know is alot closer than what a laker homer has to say on his poorly written article.
I'll take 6 & 17 June 2010.I'll take the 4 les and the sweep to close the forum and the 2003 series
LFLaker Boots to Spur Asses!
Like I give a .
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