Rodgers is obviously the better QB, but Kaep just has his number

[Bill_Brasky]

Saints offense was better last season than this season. Brees played with the worst defense in NFL history. The defense this season is the biggest reason for the Saints success. They've outplayed the offense all season.

Also Brees had success under Marty ball.

You can continue with your ty takes.

You just ing agreed with him.

[Raven]

Saints offense was better last season than this season. Brees played with the worst defense in NFL history. The defense this season is the biggest reason for the Saints success. They've outplayed the offense all season.

Also Brees had success under Marty ball.

You can continue with your ty takes.

rude.

[Chinook]

Saints offense was better last season than this season. Brees played with the worst defense in NFL history. The defense this season is the biggest reason for the Saints success. They've outplayed the offense all season.

Also Brees had success under Marty ball.

You can continue with your ty takes.

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So? I didn't say Brees didn't play well. I said he wasn't enough without Payton. If the Saints sucked despite Brees playing well, that reinforces the argument that he doesn't make or break the team.

[Pelicans78]

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So? I didn't say Brees didn't play well. I said he wasn't enough without Payton. If the Saints sucked despite Brees playing well, that reinforces the argument that he doesn't make or break the team.

The problem wasn't just Payton. It was the horrible defense he had to deal with. Poor coaching mostly. Ryan has made a big difference despite just adding one FA in Keenan Lewis and a draft pick in Vaccaro.

i do think Brees is 5 million too much since it's hurt the o-line by losing three starters in the last 3 seasons which has really hurt the offense overall. But Brees has been an elite passer with a Super Bowl run so he was gonna get his money regardless and it hasn't taken away from the defense this season.

And Payton can be overrated at times with his stubborn play-calling. The road losses can always be traced to his lack of desire in the running game.