Cavs: Bynum traded for Deng

[Captivus]

all 2nd round picks man, nothing special...

Thx. Makes sense...but hey, who never know, some NBA FOs are a disaster.

[Killakobe81]

IMO, you're still overrating Deng, tbh...

Cleveland is a ty team. Outside Kyrie, they have nobody. Varejao also overrated, no offense and constantly injured. They have no shooting guard, no power forward, zero bench and potato head as the coach. They have had picks and capspace all this time, and it keeps going to waste because management is also terrible. I'm going to have a good laugh if they pay Deng anything over $10m a season.

They're 11-23 right now, fully engaged in tank mode. While they're only 3 games away from a playoff spot, that's more an indication of the massive tanking going on in the East than how good a team they can be. Even with Deng, I'll be surprised if they finish over .500 this season.

I'm with El here ...
I get SF was a problem spot but why give up so much for Deng? IF you make the same argument (DPG) you did against the Pau move ...why should they pay extra for a rental? I could understand sweeten with either the 1st round pick or the the two 2nd rounders ...but not both. I think Cavs are trying to hide teh fact t hey just drafted one of the biggest top pick busts in recent memory. Maybe this kid will get better and Deng if healthy could mentor this kid Bennett but my guess is Deng will want a big contract or a lot of years and he will not be worth it. I do think it was a better deal for them because Deng was more a need and Pau a luxury ...
But I think Pau could of had a positive effect from a ball movement perspective. And if his jumper is working a better pick n pop player.

But DPG is right about the fact that they had no shot at defending Lebron/PG/Pierce/Melo ...but only Lebron and George really matter and it's not like the cavs wont get stomped by them regardless. I say great trade for the Bulls mediocre trade for the Cavs.

[AchillesHeel]

Deng is in his prime, he can be a great 3rd option on offense. He's a lot like Iggy in terms of what he brings to the game, he just needs to improve his 3pt shot. He's still only 28 and is averaging 19 7 and 4, not that bad of a trade, imo.

[Rogue]

Even the Bulls have begun to tank... East

[Rogue]

Can't wait until NY also goes tanking mode so we'll get big daddy TC back, without losing nothing but some expiring s and picks, and we'd be re-STACKED with TC back!

[Raven]

i don't know what to make of this trade tbh, it looks very good on both sides depending how things turn out. If deng sucks, they may resign him for cheap, if he does good than they solved their huge hole and can actually become a legit team. Chicago should have started tanking the moment Rose got injured the first time, but better later than never(sort of ), they also may have used the last bit of energy Deng had left, the poison Thibs run him pretty hard, he may be 28 but his athletic age is more like 58. We'll see how the picks turn out and if Deng gets resigned for a normal amount of money, but decent trade anyway.

[Killakobe81]

Thx. Makes sense...but hey, who never know, some NBA FOs are a disaster.

there is a future 1st involved ...

[Captivus]

there is a future 1st involved ...

OMG....

[Mal]

Can't wait until NY also goes tanking mode so we'll get big daddy TC back, without losing nothing but some expiring s and picks, and we'd be re-STACKED with TC back!

They cant do that. They dont have this draft`s pick.

[DPG21920]

The reasons it makes sense to give up the pick for Deng vs Pau are many. Deng fills a bigger need, is younger & very likely will resign with CLE. Not sure Pau would do that no matter how much they offered. For the right player, it's worth giving a pick for CLE because they still have a few.

It really wasn't a that expensive of a price to pay for a player of Dengs quality. It was still a great trade for CHI even though they could have gotten more but this allows them to reload cheaply & quickly.

[Killakobe81]

The reasons it makes sense to give up the pick for Deng vs Pau are many. Deng fills a bigger need, is younger & very likely will resign with CLE. Not sure Pau would do that no matter how much they offered. For the right player, it's worth giving a pick for CLE because they still have a few.

It really wasn't a that expensive of a price to pay for a player of Dengs quality. It was still a great trade for CHI even though they could have gotten more but this allows them to reload cheaply & quickly.

Agree on need.
As someone said TT ran Deng in to the ground, so he is much "older" in minutes than his age ...
This was not about Pau this was about giving up a 1st round pick two second rounders AND offering cap relief.
Great trade for Bulls they bluffed at the table and won.
Lakers bluffed and lost.
Cavs got a worn down though needed upgrade at SF ...
Not a horrible trade for Cavs but a mediocre one whether or not they resign Deng tbh ...

And remember i am the one who argued NO should of insisted on Bledsoe instead of Aminu in Cp3 deal ...
Lakers have nothing do with my thoughts just saying if you have the leverage (saving the other team money) Cavs did not use it well.

[Killakobe81]

Oh and that is almost the same logic (they have multiple 1st rounders) as me arguing that well the Lakers have the money to pay the repeater tax . Of course you can pay whatever you want but doesnt mean that you SHOULD. Sure tha Cavs have an extra 1st rounder but why give up one so easily? Those 2 2nd rounders should of been fine or the first rounder dont get why they needed to give up both.

[ambchang]

Cavs should have just waived Bynum and tanked for the draft. At some point, they have to do a major overhaul and realized that they can't just patch up all the holes on that roster.

The locker room does not have a respected veteran presence, Waiters and Irving are both rumoured to be less than ideal teammates, Bennett just sucks (so far), Varejao is constantly injured, and now they've added Deng who is likely going to demand a larger contract than he's worth.

Mike Brown can be an excellent assistant coach but doesn't seem to have the presence to command respect.

Simply trade all their players for picks and some veteran leadership. Irving is massively overrated, his game is very entertaining to watch, sort of like Kenny Anderson, Jason Williams or Damon Stoudamire back in the day (but more so), but I am not sure if it's the type of game that would help them win games because a) he is very inefficient, b) he plays like a blackhole, especially for a point guard, c) he plays no defense.

[Killakobe81]

Cavs should have just waived Bynum and tanked for the draft. At some point, they have to do a major overhaul and realized that they can't just patch up all the holes on that roster.

The locker room does not have a respected veteran presence, Waiters and Irving are both rumoured to be less than ideal teammates, Bennett just sucks (so far), Varejao is constantly injured, and now they've added Deng who is likely going to demand a larger contract than he's worth.

Mike Brown can be an excellent assistant coach but doesn't seem to have the presence to command respect.

Simply trade all their players for picks and some veteran leadership. Irving is massively overrated, his game is very entertaining to watch, sort of like Kenny Anderson, Jason Williams or Damon Stoudamire back in the day (but more so), but I am not sure if it's the type of game that would help them win games because a) he is very inefficient, b) he plays like a blackhole, especially for a point guard, c) he plays no defense.

Amb with the goods...but Im hoping much like Ellis looks this year ...he can be redeemed though ellis was probably not THAT bad a defender.
IDK if it is the coach in me or my love of "chuckers" as DMC once put it ... but I think with the right coach and the right team-mates many of these shot happy guys can be redeemed.
Problem is I once thought the same about Stephon Marbury ...

Rc got Montae to buy in to their system and has improved his assists and efficiency quite a bit ...no reason Kyrie with a quality coach could not do the same.

Happy New year Amb, love it when you are just talking hoops and not trollin' ....

[hater]

Spurs with their "loyalty" would have resigned Deng to 2 years 20 million

[DMC]

lol Kool... get in here and spin this .

[Rogue]

My Kyrie Irving is the guard version of Paul George and I believe it'll come a breakthrough year for him like this year for Paul George, but probably it won't happen until my moves elsewhere and joins a team that's not such a ty franchise as the cavs are.

[ambchang]

Amb with the goods...but Im hoping much like Ellis looks this year ...he can be redeemed though ellis was probably not THAT bad a defender.
IDK if it is the coach in me or my love of "chuckers" as DMC once put it ... but I think with the right coach and the right team-mates many of these shot happy guys can be redeemed.
Problem is I once thought the same about Stephon Marbury ...

Rc got Montae to buy in to their system and has improved his assists and efficiency quite a bit ...no reason Kyrie with a quality coach could not do the same.

Happy New year Amb, love it when you are just talking hoops and not trollin' ....

Chucked rehab is a tough job. Those guys have to change the players entire mindset. And they all have different Lindsey's to begin with.

KFC got Jordan to trust the system to feed off of Jordan's desire to win and put himself in the conversation with magic and bird. He did it again by feeding Kobe's ego by making him think that he was equal billing with shaq.

Pop did it with Parker by establishing Duncan as the clog with everything built around him, then slowly giving Parker a longer lease.

I am not sure what RC did, but I assume having a guy like dirk on the team can help.

Them for every success story, you'd find an iverson, Marbury, hard away, to an extent Kobe, stack house, and now Irving, wall, rose, curry, and a whole lot of others.

[DMC]

^that's "cog" lol but close

[Killakobe81]

Chucked rehab is a tough job. Those guys have to change the players entire mindset. And they all have different Lindsey's to begin with.

KFC got Jordan to trust the system to feed off of Jordan's desire to win and put himself in the conversation with magic and bird. He did it again by feeding Kobe's ego by making him think that he was equal billing with shaq.

Pop did it with Parker by establishing Duncan as the clog with everything built around him, then slowly giving Parker a longer lease.

I am not sure what RC did, but I assume having a guy like dirk on the team can help.

Them for every success story, you'd find an iverson, Marbury, hard away, to an extent Kobe, stack house, and now Irving, wall, rose, curry, and a whole lot of others.

I hear ya ...not easy to fight your instinct as much as Admire Kobe's game I wish he had done a better job with it. PJ seemed to do the best at it ...and it's not like he doesn't know better but his ego is a monster.

[RsxPiimp]

At some point you have to make an effort to win games. Tanking for years on end is a good way to turn into the Sacramento Kings.

The logic of a win-now move is mortgaging part of your future in order to maximize present gain, which we all know is irrelevant considering what's at stake. They still have a 11-23 record and a -5.8 point differential, none of which Deng can fix. The Cavs are striving towards a first-round sweep or possibly missing the playoffs by a game or two.


The move is entirely backwards. Cleveland seems to think making the playoffs proves they are a legitimate NBA franchise. Far more important is building an organization that values the right things, maintains a long-term perspective and doesn’t get too caught up in the public relations game.


The addition of Deng gives the Cavs an unwieldy collection of parts. On one hand, six first round picks, the Core Four plus Zeller and Sergey Karasev (still trying to figure out their way in the league) On the other, a bunch of veteran players in their late 20’s, guys like Deng, Anderson Varejao and Jarrett Jack who are ready to win now. It’s basically two different teams being awkwardly fused together and there is no guarantee that it works.

The Cavs, in contrast, will be just another poorly run Eastern team with a mix of young and middle-age players going nowhere. By the time their Top-4 picks are in their mid 20’s and ready to contend, Deng, Varejao and Jack will be on their way out of the league. When a win now mantra interferes with your long-term goals, something has gone wrong.


All he is doing is setting up the fanbase for disappointment, as people inevitably turn on young stars when they can’t win in the playoffs. However, if Cleveland doesn’t win a lot of playoff games in the next five years, it shouldn’t say much about Irving. Losing LeBron James has taught the Cavs nothing.


I understand that Cleveland has been in the basement for some time now, though still not as bad as some bottom dweller teams, I just think that if there's that ONE season where teams who are not good enough to make the playoffs should tank, 2014 is that year.

[RsxPiimp]

Also, consider this years projected Top 5 pick as insurance, in the event Kyrie leaves. Embiid, Parker, Exxum, Randle and even Wiggins are pretty solid prospects.

[Juggity]

Chicago potentially has 3 first round picks in the draft this year. If everything falls in their favor and they jettison Rose to some re ed GM for younger talent/ assets, they could contend quickly.

this draft is worth dumping Rose for.