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    The problem is that Pop's vision and system no longer work and the players (RJ and Bonner) who he has chosen to retain are horrible.
    Did Jordan/Shaq/Kobe make Phil Jackson look better then he is?
    This x2

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    Jackson still won 55 games in 93-94 without Jordan, and they almost made it to the ECF.

    And KFC wouldnt have played Bonner



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    i blame smallball for his downfall, i think it was the stupid mavs or suns that introduced small ball? and pop went away from the big lineup that won us championships....till this day i think his still using smallball lineups...

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    As others have said, Kobe and MJ made Phil Jackson look good, Bill Russell made Red Auerbach look good, the Magic, Kareem and Worthy made Pat Riley look good.


    The crime would have been seeing Tim not win championships. Pop was at the helm when Tim achieved that. Can't fault him for that.

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    There is a few reasons for issues with the spurs and Pop. First continued good regular season play, combined with an owner with limited financial means and a small market means that the ability to obtain star players is reduced. Constantly drafting in the later half of the round means that you are either going to get project players or role players. Neither of which always work out.

    Second pop is willing to put ethics over basketball which works in alot of instances but can cost him with obtaining players, keeping players happy, and in some cases putting the best line-up on the floor. This also goes to some extent in rewarding loyalty. This is a big part of Bonner being where he is on the team though, Bonner is also a decent player for his salary in a role that doesn't fit him well if at all.

    Changing league, the league rules, and directions for calling games have shifted quite a bit over the last two decades. In the late 80's and early 90's the physical play inside every game would have gotten people tossed in a single quarter today, the late 90's and first half of 00's were a transition to a far more non-contact game where perimeter players can drive nearly untouched and expect fouls if there is any contact even incidental outside the lane. This goes away from the idea of a hard nosed perimeter defender contesting shots and dribble while channeling their man to a shot blocking bigman inside..... Pop between being not really having the personal to play this way, and being one of the last holdouts for a physical inside team has had problems with this.

    The spurs also haven't had an athletic big in a long time Mahininmi was somewhat close to this but between a dearth of skill and talent for getting injured didn't pan out.

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    Sometimes you wonder if Phil thought it was too easy and was looking for a challenge when he took up the worm and Artest... it's like those nutcases would give him something to do.

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    I think Pop is a great coach, but if you let Bonner play 20+ minutes you've got to be a moron.

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    Jackson still won 55 games in 93-94 without Jordan, and they almost made it to the ECF.
    but they didn't.

    And KFC wouldnt have played Bonner


    And Pop won 60+ games playing Bonner

    That aside, head coach is the most overrated position in the NBA.

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    BUMP !!!!



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    It didn't hurt.

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    BUMP imo

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    I hate Errors.

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    But Pop loves Errors

    all kinds of errors

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    Did a prime MJ and Pip make Jackson look better than he really is? Shaq and Kobe, too?

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    Did a prime MJ and Pip make Jackson look better than he really is? Shaq and Kobe, too?
    not really

    Phil led them to les

    A real coach imo

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    pretty much IMO...

    Agreed tbh.

    x2

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    not really

    Phil led them to les

    A real coach imo
    You can't have it both ways. Phil stepped into two teams that had already gone to their respective conference Finals with All NBA players already in place. It's EITHER the players or it's the coaches. You can't split your decision to hate on Pop.

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    It takes talent and coaching. Take away either and you're doomed.

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    not really

    Phil led them to les

    A real coach imo
    Would Phil ever lose to Avery Johnson with homecourt advantage? I doubt it.

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    Would Phil ever lose to Avery Johnson with homecourt advantage? I doubt it.
    TRUTH BOMBS !!!!!

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    It takes talent and coaching. Take away either and you're doomed.
    ^^^^^^ This.

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    Would Phil ever lose to Avery Johnson with homecourt advantage? I doubt it.
    Exactly PJ never lost when he had the upper hand. 47-0 when leading a playoff series 1-0. How many times has Pop lost including series he's had the homecourt advantage? Even JVG said it best when he got fired in Houston, you don't lose game 7 on your home court.

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    Pop

    playing Ayres and Bonner

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    Rick Carlisle truly was a very underrated coach.

    The only coach to beat Phil Jackson in a series w/o losing 1 game.

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