Seems legit just for the fact that every single anti-gunner has refused to refute it.
I'd like to see the other 9 leading causes of accidental deaths and the corresponding criminal punishments that go along with allowing children access.Even so, according to the Centers for Disease Control unintentional shootings remain a top ten cause of accidental death for children ages 1-4 and 10-14.
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/s...ionaldeath.jpg
those bathtubs are extremely violent. Time to regulate the unsecured bathtubs.
And by what basis do you say it is legit? It is not sourced nor are the statistics displayed correctly if at all on the axes.
He doesn't even analyze the data. The x axis is geographically based. You use a map to show that and not a linear graph. The points don't correlate despite his attempts to cook the display. To give you a hint what I mean by that, the high murder values do not have a corresponding high racial presence. If anything it disproves his assertion. Even more dumbed down: look at the es.
Quite frankly the attempt is per par WC stupidity that you per par eat up like the dimwit you are. You should use one of your guns on yourself.
Fuzzy I challenge you to plot a graph using the percentages of blacks/latinos residing in each state and the corresponding numbers of murders in each state. Make sure everything is sourced. Show everyone how much more superior your graph making skills are then Wild Cobras.
challenge
I just said I wouldn't use a graph but a map. You do not even address my comments on correlation.
I don't need to come up with a counter. You cannot even respond to the refutations I gave.
Your stupidity is showing.
This does not look like a graph nor a geographical map.
I just said I wouldn't use a graph but a map. You do not even address my comments on correlation.
I don't need to come up with a counter. You cannot even respond to the refutations I gave.
Your stupidity is showing.
we saw a whopping 23 kids accidentally shot last week, including eight preteens. Just two of them were hit by New Year's Eve random gunfire, however.
It was a busy week for the kids, even without that.New Year's Eve, of course, is in a class all by itself. As near as I could tell from available reports, five people were shot by random, celebratory gunfire in Los Angeles, CA; San Antonio, TX; Hebbronville, TX; Newport News, VA; and Gadsden, AL.
New Year's Eve revelers also blasted into at least 15 homes this week and two cars (not including four more homes fired into under other cir stances), in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Michigan, Indiana, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, and Virginia. Three people involved in celebratory gunfire incidents accidentally shot themselves, and two were accidentally shot at parties.
Six hunting GunFAIL incidents were counted, plus three recreational or target shooting accidents. Two defensive gun users accidentally wounded themselves, as well, as sometimes happens during the excitement and confusion.
Two people also accidentally shot themselves while cleaning their weapons, which should never happen.
And three gun owners out and about, shopping and dining with the rest of us accidentally lost some bullets this week.
One who shot himself in a Walmart parking lot in Mississippi, one who accidentally fired a pistol in his pocket in a restaurant in Georgia, and a third who dropped her gun and shot another shopper in a Lowe's in Cheyenne, WY.
And lastly, we had one more family member allegedly mistaken for an intruder and shot this week.
All in all, a of a week, and the first one I can recall pushing the total number of accidents over 80. Without further ado, then, this week's list, below the fold.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...I?detail=email
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It's like talking with a MR kid.
I just said that I do not need to as my refutations discredit his charts on their own. It would make sense to show a counter example if his example was good on its own merit. That is a legit technique but not necessarily when your opponents case is on its own merits.
At this point, any other reader understands that using a 2D graph when the data points for the dependent variable are geographic is invalid as it presents a proportional, linear argument when there is none. Frankly it shows a deep ignorance into how numbers work. '1, 2, 3' is not the same as 'Hawaii, Wisconsin, Missouri.' This is not surprising considering WC is the source.
If you repeat your same 'this doesn't look like what I asked for' routine I am going to do the same thing I always do and ignore it. Same goes with the asperger comments when you try the 'I was just joking' line to try and cover for your stupidity.
How about a graph of gun crime the ten years before and after the passage of the Brady bill?
This is like talking to a guy with Asperbergers.
How about a graph of gun crime the ten years before and after the passage of the Brady bill?
This graph has nothing to do with what WC was graphing as I'm sure you are aware as he was correlating race % and murders per state. But since you posted it let's discuss it.
Since you posted it I assume you agree with the graph in that the Brady bill caused the reduction in murders. Am I correct?
God you are dumb. First sentence of his graph post.
I just showed that the 5 last major changes in national gun laws correlated in a change in the firearm related death rate. Compare that with the graph of racial demographics which saw the death rate go up and down independent of the demographic trend.
It was a simple question. Do you believe the Brady bill was the cause of the drop in murders?
You can neither read a graph nor what I have written and understand it. Read both and try again. If you ask a pertinent question to the material then I will answer.
My question is pertinent to your graph and is pretty simple. Do you think the Brady bill was the cause of the drop in murders?
I think you need to read the legend of the graph and try again.
As to your point, I do think that it is interesting that in each case of significant changes in gun control policy over the past 60 years that there has been a corresponding jump as you would expect. It is after all what the law was written to do. Correlation is not necessarily causation but it keeps happening here and abroad.
Anybody can double check this if they'd like: black males under 50 are around 5% of the population but commit half of the violent crime in the US. With that fact, surely nobody can be surprised that the demographics of a state, or any area, are a better indicator of gun crime than the gun laws of that area. Gun culture is big in Finland and Switzerland too. IIRC every adult male in Switzerland has to own a rifle.
Did the Brady bill cause the drop in murders? Yes or no.
My bad. Are you saying the Brady bill caused the sharp decrease in firearm related deaths?
With absolute certainty? No. I do think the evidence points strongly to the efficacy of gun control legislation and I think intelligent policymakers should look to it.
When you look at the response in the time frame following the passage of the Brady Bill, assault weapon ban, repeal of the ban, repeal of waiting lists, passage of the firearms protections act, the australian semiauto ban, etc. They all get the effects that were intended by the policy. Unfortunately, your masters have gone a long way in preventing the tracking of most individual guns so anything other than the most general analysis is by definition incomplete.
Makes it pretty clear when a country has a significant underclass that feels disenfranchised they will commit crime. How big is that underclass in Finland and Switzerland? So you believe in a more socialistic genous society to prevent gun crime?
Why did you leave out Norway I wonder.
Firearm related deaths were already trending downward before the Brady bill was passed. This graph ignores some very important factors that relate to the decrease in firearm related deaths. I was surprised you even posted it.
Your canned argument is that it was trending downward when the law when into effect. The downward trend began in the years prior to that in the aftermath of the LA riots and law enforcement surge when the law wsa being negotiated in congress. Even still once the law went into effect the rate of decrease doubled.
Is your dumbass really arguing against the Brady Bill?
you ignore the death rate response to the other gun control laws. It's pretty evident that gun control laws effect society in the manner that they are designed to do.
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