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    I have no doubt it will be a disaster, but I always have doubts on things being improved in this nation and thus don't see this cluster getting us any closer to a health system that doesn't require bending over for the insurance companies.
    I have doubts as well. It may just swing the lemmings back over to the hard-core righties and deepen the mess even more. Ugh, the more I think about it, the more likely it sounds. fml

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    I have doubts as well. It may just swing the lemmings back over to the hard-core righties and deepen the mess even more. Ugh, the more I think about it, the more likely it sounds. fml
    Hopefully it'll be too late. People like CC will have already dumped their employees on to the government system and cost will be out of control further increasing deficits. The only answer will be to put in price controls and allow negotiation with the pharmaceutical companies making the system more or less what Germany has in place.

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    i dont get with the healthcare in ur country, why are bosses paying for that ? isnt it up to the individual to provide and pay for their own private healthcare plans?

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    Hopefully it'll be too late. People like CC will have already dumped their employees on to the government system and cost will be out of control further increasing deficits. The only answer will be to put in price controls and allow negotiation with the pharmaceutical companies making the system more or less what Germany has in place.
    That sounds logical. Our government usually doesn't deal in logic

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    i dont get with the healthcare in ur country, why are bosses paying for that ? isnt it up to the individual to provide and pay for their own private healthcare plans?
    it's a racket.

    employers skim employees salaries and send it directly to the insurers. employee get the insurance benefit tax free.

    insurer has only one insurance contract with the employer, not 100 or 1000 or 10,000, lowering his overhead.
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    Hopefully it'll be too late. People like CC will have already dumped their employees on to the government system and cost will be out of control further increasing deficits. The only answer will be to put in price controls and allow negotiation with the pharmaceutical companies making the system more or less what Germany has in place.
    Insurance would have to be non-profit to be Germany. Also, you don't have to go into enormous debt for medical school in Germany. The US has a LONG way to go to ever get to anything sensible approximating the German model.

    Speaking of that, the US needs to copy the German educational model too so that everyone leaves secondary school with some kind of useful skill.

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    Insurance would have to be non-profit to be Germany. Also, you don't have to go into enormous debt for medical school in Germany. The US has a LONG way to go to ever get to anything sensible approximating the German model.

    Speaking of that, the US needs to copy the German educational model too so that everyone leaves secondary school with some kind of useful skill.
    Good point. Maybe it'll pave the way for a public option to help drive down cost.

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    The Obama administration is set to announce Friday an ambitious health-care experiment that will make Maryland a test case for whether aggressive government regulation of medical prices can dramatically cut health spending.

    Under the experiment, Maryland will cap hospital spending and set prices — and, if all goes as planned, cut $330 million in federal spending. The new plan, which has been under negotiation for more than a year, could leave Maryland looking more like Germany and Switzerland, which aggressively regulate prices, than its neighboring states. And it could serve as a model - or cautionary tale - for other states looking to follow in its footsteps.


    “You can put Maryland in the company of Massachusetts and perhaps Vermont as the three states furthest out in trying to invent a new future for cost accountability in health care spending,” added Harvard University’s John McDonough. “Success creates a model that other states will want to look at emulating. And failure means it’s an option more likely to be crossed off the list.”


    For Maryland, the new rules build on past success. Since the mid-1970s, it has been the only state to set the prices that hospitals charge patients. Typically, hospitals negotiate with each health insurer individually, leading to disparate rates. In Maryland, all customers — whether a private insurance plan, public program or uninsured patient — pay the same price. Researchers estimate the system has saved $45 billion for consumers over four decades and prices have grown more slowly in the state.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...3Fp%253D74854/

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