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    Joseph is physically built for the post-season, and his strengths are better suited for games that matter. Especially since this season, the bench has two play-makers (or will when Beli moves back). I think Pop really likes Cory, which is the primary reason why I think he'll replace Mills.
    I wouldn't rule out Joseph replacing Mills, but it would be foolish. The most important thing for a PG playing next to a ball handling/play making SG, is to be a quality spot up three-point shooter. Throw in the fact that Belinelli (he'll eventually return to the bench) and Diaw serve as secondary play makers and that's only exacerbated.

    Also, Mills is a more confident player and better overall scorer. The former is especially necessary in the playoffs for obvious reasons and the latter will be if they make it to the Thunder/Heat, as both disrupt their offense rhythm, making it all the more important to be able to create your shot.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kxkke55

    Wolters, Ilyasova and Middleton for Bonner, Baynes and De Colo.

    But the Bucks probably want Neal as part of the package. If that's the case, Beli would have to be included for it to make sense. It can be done without him financially by including Ayres for Baynes and swapping Joseph for Neal -- http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kcl9g24 -- but that leaves the Spurs with only Wolters and Parker as legitimate ones and pretty much forces Neal to back up Parker again. So it'd have to be Beli, Bonner and Baynes for Ilyasova, Middleton and Neal-- http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ke9eleo .

    The Morey in me would do that deal, since I think it would improve the club now and in the future. But I couldn't damn Beli to play in Milwaukee after he gave up money to come to the Spurs. Also, it's possible Ilyasova flops, leaving the Spurs with a bloated contract, a deep-bench combo-forward and a downgrade at the backup two.
    Not a chance the Bucks would even consider that. Despite Ilyasova's underwhelming season, young, elite shooting stretch fours, that are also above average rebounders (when the spirit moves him) and on affordable contracts, don't lose value to the point where they wouldn't be able to fetch something of value in return. In addition, Middleton has shown that he has the makings of a quality backup.

    Unless he's part of a package that lands them a legitimate star, there's no reason to think Middleton is going anywhere and he doesn't really have the size/strength the Spurs need in an SF anyway. Since Henson is the PF of the future and looks ready for starters minutes, Ilyasova could probably be had (especially if they were getting a stretch four in return), but it would no doubt cost the Spurs a 1st.
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    ^ I often agree with you but Mills against the Thunder has been a disaster.
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    Spurs: (calling)...." o, who can you give us for Nando DeColo?"28 other NBA teams:........"click"..........Spurs: " o"...... o???Knicks: "We will give you Chris Smith"Spurs:......"click"........Knicks:........." o"???
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    ^ I often agree with you but Mills against the Thunder has been a disaster.
    He has, but the sample size is small and I'd still rather bank on him (for the reasons I stated) than Joseph . . . but it's a fluid situation. If they get into a series with the Thunder and he's being absolutely destroyed by Jackson for the first few games, they can always go to Joseph at that point.
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    There is certainly an overlap between these kind of threads and the Think Tank but I would say it has more his place here.

    Think Tank is mostly great to talk about draft prospect and free agents since there can have one thread per player. It is also a kinda seasonal forum that start in March when draft talks start to really build up and end in August when most free agents are signed. Aside of these months, it's relatively dead especially this year with very little Euro players whose draft rights are owned by Spurs to follow.
    I just hope their 2014 draft choice isn't going to be used. This is a year I would want them to stock up on some draft picks.
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    I've had the impression that the FO has valued professionalism and secrecy to the extent that if a trade rumor news story broke, they'd break off the deal. If there were advanced talks, this type of story would (based on my impression) would cool the FO on pulling the trigger.
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    Teams are always looking to improve their team. However, that doesn't mean that a trade will ever happen. The Spurs FO is notorious for being involved in such rumors but rarely does anything ever come from it. Expect much of the same.
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    Ive been a Spurs fan since the early 80s. Whoever thinks the Spurs would consider JR Smith, unless it was some crazy Smith(+1 billion dollars) for bonner, is reaching to say the least.. The spurs would not trade for JR Smith. IF the spurs did trade for JR smith I would instantly become a Dallas or Heat fan. Jr smith is a loser, with almost no basketball talent. He's a 13 ppg player that can't pass or defend. He scores the same in the playoffs but with worse FG percentage. WTF would we do with him? He's not better than our 3rd backup PG.
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    I just hope their 2014 draft choice isn't going to be used. This is a year I would want them to stock up on some draft picks.
    This is the exact class that you want to trade away. This class is overhyped. The 3 best players (supposedly) arent even the best on their team. , the consensus preseason #1, Andrew Wiggins, averages more TOs than assists AGAINST COLLEGE KIDS. His stats are TERRIBLE.
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    Spurs: (calling)...." o, who can you give us for Nando DeColo?"
    28 other NBA teams:........"click"..........
    Spurs: " o"...... o???
    Knicks: "We will give you Chris Smith"
    Spurs:......"click"........
    Knicks:........." o"???
    More like,

    Spurs: (calling)..." o, who can you give us for Nando DeColo?"
    29 other NBA teams: "What?! you, stick it up your own CULO!"
    Spurs: No...that's the guy's name...really. We swear!
    29 other NBA teams: "click"
    Spurs: o?
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    TD21 The bench's biggest weakness is a lack of perimeter defense. Pop may solve that by playing Green with Manu and Beli as a defensive point guard, but seeing as he'll probably be guarding the starting point, it's not likely. A third defender is key against most good teams.

    Ilyasova has been worse than Ayres this season. Let that sink in. He'd be an amnesty candidate if that were possible. I'm not saying he sucks, since I am obviously suggesting the Spurs trading for him. But the dude has negative win-shares. He's not working out so far. Also note this is Milwaukee's front office we're talking about. They literally give away players every few months.
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    What's working? Tiago Tim Kawhi doesn't work, Mills Beli Manu doesn't work at least against OKC, Beli starting doesn't work...
    Come on man, you're exaggerating bigtime. You can't seriously be suggesting giving up any of those players for something else, can you? Or maybe I'm being trolled here.

    Our top 9 rotational guys are all pretty solid imo. Tim, Tony, Tiago, Diaw, Manu, Mills, Kawhi, Marco, and even Danny Green are all either good for us now or have a track record of being good. It'd be silly to dump any of them for a player who's unproven in our system and playing with the rest of our guys midseason.

    Like I said, any big shakeups and additions should've happened in the offseason. At this point there's just nothing out there that makes sense since we'd have to give up something that's already pretty good for a question mark.
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    Teams are always looking to improve their team. However, that doesn't mean that a trade will ever happen. The Spurs FO is notorious for being involved in such rumors but rarely does anything ever come from it. Expect much of the same.
    Expect much of the same? You mean zero les In The past 7 years. That's something to look forward to
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    This is the exact class that you want to trade away. This class is overhyped. The 3 best players (supposedly) arent even the best on their team. , the consensus preseason #1, Andrew Wiggins, averages more TOs than assists AGAINST COLLEGE KIDS. His stats are TERRIBLE.
    100% agree. The only one that looks ready for the NBA is Jabari Parker. Wiggins and Embiid are raw as . They'll need years to develop.

    This is why lottery teams are back in the lottery year after year. They draft these 1 and done kids who have no idea how to play basketball.
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    Well this news sure went nowhere.
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    TD21 The bench's biggest weakness is a lack of perimeter defense. Pop may solve that by playing Green with Manu and Beli as a defensive point guard, but seeing as he'll probably be guarding the starting point, it's not likely. A third defender is key against most good teams.

    Ilyasova has been worse than Ayres this season. Let that sink in. He'd be an amnesty candidate if that were possible. I'm not saying he sucks, since I am obviously suggesting the Spurs trading for him. But the dude has negative win-shares. He's not working out so far. Also note this is Milwaukee's front office we're talking about. They literally give away players every few months.
    There's only so much a PG can do defensively though, so it comes down to risk/reward. In other words, as long as Mills isn't getting completely and utterly destroyed by Jackson, they should stick with him because of how much better a fit he is offensively, in addition to his being fearless.

    I'm aware of how bad he's been, but like I said, the attributes he possesses are so rare and valued, that I don't think it would matter all that much as far as his trade value is concerned.
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    Well this news sure went nowhere.
    Yes, because tomorrow is the trade deadline....
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    It is time for fans to wake up to the fact that LAST SEASON was the LAST hurrah. Unless we can magically upgrade to a true impact player that's good enough to more than compensate for Tim and Manu declining. But then we would probably need another perfect storm to get back to the championship round.

    It is not happening
    You are saying QUITE a lot considering the Spurs are first in the West and haven't once looked as good as they can be....
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    Yes, because tomorrow is the trade deadline....
    Is it really?
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    Not that it matters but since the Bucks is one team that spurs could potentialy trade with

    Caron Butler
    John Henson
    Nick Wolters
    Gary Neal

    All DNP- Coach's decision..

    All players we're getting significat minutes before..Would have been interesting if Elyasova was DNP too.
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    Yes, because tomorrow is the trade deadline....
    Oh really?
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    Not that it matters but since the Bucks is one team that spurs could potentialy trade with

    Caron Butler
    John Henson
    Nick Wolters
    Gary Neal

    All DNP- Coach's decision..

    All players we're getting significat minutes before..Would have been interesting if Elyasova was DNP too.
    Tbh, none of these guys appeal to me.
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    Spurs aggressively looking to trade = Pop blackmailing Bud with incriminating drunken photographs
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    Not that it matters but since the Bucks is one team that spurs could potentialy trade with

    Caron Butler
    John Henson
    Nick Wolters
    Gary Neal

    All DNP- Coach's decision..

    All players we're getting significat minutes before..Would have been interesting if Elyasova was DNP too.
    I would actually like to get john henson. he is a long athletic 4. can block shots and shoot the mid range shot very well.
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